2007 S600 vs 2014 S550
01-27-2018, 02:23 PM
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01-28-2018, 10:53 AM
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Have to wonder if people making those claims have actually ever owned that car, or are just repeating unfounded rumors they have heard. Except for the engine, there isn't much difference between the V12 and V8 cars and the V12 engine isn't prone to needing repairs any more than the V8.
01-28-2018, 10:59 AM
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What repairs were done for $24K and how many of those were V12 specific? And were many just nuisance issues like a minor fluid leak or sticking switch that you would have just lived with without a warranty? I have a Fiat Abarth right now at the dealer, one day before the factory warranty expires, for an axle boot leak, minor oil and coolant leaks, broken dash vent. Without warranty, I'd fix the first one myself and just live with the rest.
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01-28-2018, 11:42 AM
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What repairs were done for $24K and how many of those were V12 specific? And were many just nuisance issues like a minor fluid leak or sticking switch that you would have just lived with without a warranty? I have a Fiat Abarth right now at the dealer, one day before the factory warranty expires, for an axle boot leak, minor oil and coolant leaks, broken dash vent. Without warranty, I'd fix the first one myself and just live with the rest.
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01-28-2018, 05:55 PM
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There are extreme examples but you can find extreme examples with any brand. Warty on my 2012 S550 has paid out about 2K in 2,5 years. This is not a honda or a toyota, parts are spendy and you have to have the knowledge and tools to work on these cars on your own.
01-28-2018, 06:43 PM
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Certain engine configs or options will simply have exhorbitant cost on repair or maintenance wether one likes it or not.
A brake job on our lowly E-class will cost over $11k in parts alone (CCB’s). Replacement of electronic modules or even a comand unit will make your eyes tear
Our 2015 S550 was more or less maintenance free so were our newer SL’s but an older S600 will simply swallow larger amounts of money than a 550.
That said, I wouldn’t hesitate getting another V12, but like all luxury cars, warranty is the most important option.
01-28-2018, 08:15 PM
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My experience has been with the SL600. A bit different than the S-Class but not really as the cars share the exact same engine, drivetrain, suspension, etc.
Unlike the previous MB non-TT V12 engine, the Twin Turbo model is actually quite reliable.
But here is the simple fact. Buying used high-end car for pennies on the dollar doesn't mean that any normal maintenance or wear items are discounted as well. They come at "full-retail" prices unless you go the "under-maintained" route, are a DIY or find a great Indy shop. Also, any MB V12TT car deals with the same basic physics. A large, very heavy engine in front will wear on the suspension. The high torque engine will wear the mounts, drive train and tires and a low volume production engine means more expensive parts for simple stuff. There are plenty of junk yards and rebuild parts but I am referring to normally dealers maintained cars out of warranty.
For the 2007, the most common repairs are ABC suspension work (ABC pumps, lines, struts), ignition coil packs, turbo seal leaks, spark plugs, engine/transmission mounts and the usual small annoyances of sensor or control module failures. Ignition coil pack.
We got rid of our SL which has been an incredible fun car at a bit over 70k miles but we have encountered all of the above. Never looked at it as a money pit but it wasn't cheap if you look at it.
Spark plug change was something like $1500. Coils packs, don't recall- $7k? Engine mounts = $3k (engine had to come out on the SL), ABC pump failure and associated damages $9k. Lots of performance rear rubber $$$
Unlike the previous MB non-TT V12 engine, the Twin Turbo model is actually quite reliable.
But here is the simple fact. Buying used high-end car for pennies on the dollar doesn't mean that any normal maintenance or wear items are discounted as well. They come at "full-retail" prices unless you go the "under-maintained" route, are a DIY or find a great Indy shop. Also, any MB V12TT car deals with the same basic physics. A large, very heavy engine in front will wear on the suspension. The high torque engine will wear the mounts, drive train and tires and a low volume production engine means more expensive parts for simple stuff. There are plenty of junk yards and rebuild parts but I am referring to normally dealers maintained cars out of warranty.
For the 2007, the most common repairs are ABC suspension work (ABC pumps, lines, struts), ignition coil packs, turbo seal leaks, spark plugs, engine/transmission mounts and the usual small annoyances of sensor or control module failures. Ignition coil pack.
We got rid of our SL which has been an incredible fun car at a bit over 70k miles but we have encountered all of the above. Never looked at it as a money pit but it wasn't cheap if you look at it.
Spark plug change was something like $1500. Coils packs, don't recall- $7k? Engine mounts = $3k (engine had to come out on the SL), ABC pump failure and associated damages $9k. Lots of performance rear rubber $$$
01-28-2018, 08:17 PM
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No warranty company would underwrite an S600 if they all had monster pay outs. Believe it or not they have these people called actuaries that analyze the hell out of every car they cover to make sure they are not covering a car that will end up costing them more to fix than the pool of that car they are covering. I was not aware that the e class had carbon brakes. Must be an option, cause I did all of my brakes on my S550 for around 350 dollars in parts.
01-28-2018, 08:19 PM
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Go to post #65 of this thread. I updated it just for you. I didn't consider any of the repairs anything that I could "just live with". And keep in mind these repairs were done at the insurance negotiated rate, not usual MB labor rates. That likely reduced the cost $5-10k during the 3 year period I owned it over what somebody off the street would have had to pay for repairs. And they do not include any maintenance items.
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01-28-2018, 08:23 PM
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Is ABC V12 specific? Otherwise I don't see anything that couldn't also go bad on a V8 W221. Well the coil setup is different, but still coils. What happened to the transmission? And how old at the time? I assume from your list it was well under 40,000 miles. Wouldn't Mercedes do some kind of good will assistance on a repair like that?
01-28-2018, 08:43 PM
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9 year old car with just 27,000 miles? That car must have sat a lot which is the worst thing you can do to a vehicle. Seals dry up and shrink. Soon as you start driving it regularly, it will start leaking oil, coolant, steering fluid, etc. Sellers go on about how great their low mileage car will be to own despite the price premium. I'll take a comparable high mileage example for thousands less any day. The savings will be greater than any increase in repairs.
01-28-2018, 09:08 PM
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9 year old car with just 27,000 miles? That car must have sat a lot which is the worst thing you can do to a vehicle. Seals dry up and shrink. Soon as you start driving it regularly, it will start leaking oil, coolant, steering fluid, etc. Sellers go on about how great their low mileage car will be to own despite the price premium. I'll take a comparable high mileage example for thousands less any day. The savings will be greater than any increase in repairs.
01-29-2018, 12:21 AM
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One thing i have to say is that while I quote some costs i didn’t have to pay the same amount as I was able to have MB pick up a portion of the costs (always on the materials side) on goodwill. It helped to have a great relationship with the service managers. The costs are still the same...
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01-29-2018, 12:48 AM
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No warranty company would underwrite an S600 if they all had monster pay outs. Believe it or not they have these people called actuaries that analyze the hell out of every car they cover to make sure they are not covering a car that will end up costing them more to fix than the pool of that car they are covering. I was not aware that the e class had carbon brakes. Must be an option, cause I did all of my brakes on my S550 for around 350 dollars in parts.
FYI. AMG has pricier brakes as they use larger multi-piece rotors. CCB's a cool but pricey option BUT no brake dust
Here is an example of replacement rotors. They also make brake pads for the current SL where Akebono has no products available. 3rd party, still crazy money (similar stuff/car): http://www.racingbrake.com/RB-CCM-Pa.../mb-crk-09.htm
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01-29-2018, 08:09 AM
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Okay so two things I realized so far,
1. 30k is not enough for a w222. I figured that if I wanted the best I would have to raise my budget so I looked around and found some decent ones for about 50k. I am okay spending that much as long as the car will keep me happy for at least 6 years.
2. I really want the "ride of an old cadillac" where I dont feel all of the harsh imperfections of the road. I want something that just wafts me along, where I would feel relaxed.
I also considered a used model s but as soon as I saw the horrendous quality with the interior, I decided against it. I want the best possible riding car for the money so currently I'm leaning towards a MY2014 S550 with the Nappa Leather interior, but if im overlooking any other options let me know.
1. 30k is not enough for a w222. I figured that if I wanted the best I would have to raise my budget so I looked around and found some decent ones for about 50k. I am okay spending that much as long as the car will keep me happy for at least 6 years.
2. I really want the "ride of an old cadillac" where I dont feel all of the harsh imperfections of the road. I want something that just wafts me along, where I would feel relaxed.
I also considered a used model s but as soon as I saw the horrendous quality with the interior, I decided against it. I want the best possible riding car for the money so currently I'm leaning towards a MY2014 S550 with the Nappa Leather interior, but if im overlooking any other options let me know.
01-29-2018, 11:15 AM
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Okay so two things I realized so far,
1. 30k is not enough for a w222. I figured that if I wanted the best I would have to raise my budget so I looked around and found some decent ones for about 50k. I am okay spending that much as long as the car will keep me happy for at least 6 years.
2. I really want the "ride of an old cadillac" where I dont feel all of the harsh imperfections of the road. I want something that just wafts me along, where I would feel relaxed.
I also considered a used model s but as soon as I saw the horrendous quality with the interior, I decided against it. I want the best possible riding car for the money so currently I'm leaning towards a MY2014 S550 with the Nappa Leather interior, but if im overlooking any other options let me know.
1. 30k is not enough for a w222. I figured that if I wanted the best I would have to raise my budget so I looked around and found some decent ones for about 50k. I am okay spending that much as long as the car will keep me happy for at least 6 years.
2. I really want the "ride of an old cadillac" where I dont feel all of the harsh imperfections of the road. I want something that just wafts me along, where I would feel relaxed.
I also considered a used model s but as soon as I saw the horrendous quality with the interior, I decided against it. I want the best possible riding car for the money so currently I'm leaning towards a MY2014 S550 with the Nappa Leather interior, but if im overlooking any other options let me know.
Perhaps you might like this one:
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...odelCode1=S600
01-29-2018, 10:03 PM
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You might want to consider a late model W221 S600. Find one with low mileage that you can purchase an after-market exclusionary warranty on that will cover you for as long as you plan to own the car.
Perhaps you might like this one:
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=460046868&zip=60014 &referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D60014%26startYe ar%3D2010%26sortBy%3DderivedpriceDESC%26incrementa l%3Dall%26firstRecord%3D0%26endYear%3D2013%26model CodeList%3DS600%26makeCodeList%3DMB%26searchRadius %3D0&startYear=2010&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0&en dYear=2013&modelCodeList=S600&makeCodeList=MB&sear chRadius=0&makeCode1=MB&modelCode1=S600
Perhaps you might like this one:
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=460046868&zip=60014 &referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D60014%26startYe ar%3D2010%26sortBy%3DderivedpriceDESC%26incrementa l%3Dall%26firstRecord%3D0%26endYear%3D2013%26model CodeList%3DS600%26makeCodeList%3DMB%26searchRadius %3D0&startYear=2010&numRecords=25&firstRecord=0&en dYear=2013&modelCodeList=S600&makeCodeList=MB&sear chRadius=0&makeCode1=MB&modelCode1=S600
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02-02-2018, 03:36 PM
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looks like a steal noy awd tho.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/722545145/overview/?aff=marketau&emc=marketau&smtrctid=994019998
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02-02-2018, 03:44 PM
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Most car's value drops to half their new cost after 3 or 4 years so nothing unusual. It's just because you start at $100,000 that the reduction seems so large.
02-05-2018, 03:23 PM
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It all depends on the car, but the best examples are going to be the cpo ones. Also the ones at a premium. But u know you have a car that a benz tech went over, extended warty, most likely new brakes and tires too.
05-17-2021, 07:38 PM
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Sorry to say but there is nothing special about a 10+ year old S600. The pre-facelift non-sport package cars look quite dated by now and the engine, while being powerful, is technically ancient, pricey to maintain and not much faster than the S550. Not a standout car.
That said, if you have a $30k budget, then a W222 S550 is out of your price point also.
Either way, with your budget its is likely a W221 with an existing warranty. Unless you are well versed DIYer, a V12 will easily set you back a $5k-$10k a year for maintenance/repairs. A newer, pre-owned W222 (CPO or 3rd party warranty), even at $60-$65k will be the cheaper car for you over a 3+ year period than a non-warrantied S600
Good luck!
That said, if you have a $30k budget, then a W222 S550 is out of your price point also.
Either way, with your budget its is likely a W221 with an existing warranty. Unless you are well versed DIYer, a V12 will easily set you back a $5k-$10k a year for maintenance/repairs. A newer, pre-owned W222 (CPO or 3rd party warranty), even at $60-$65k will be the cheaper car for you over a 3+ year period than a non-warrantied S600
Good luck!
If you can lay hands on a well maintained S600, no Brand new S550 comes close to the overall package. That's the reason the S600 costs $145,000 + brand new.
05-17-2021, 08:15 PM
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I too have to wonder where these sky high maintenance costs come from except for say a car that has been neglected and worn out. Now I do know that the older v12 engines has some problems such as a coil pack that would fail and cost over 1000 for one side of the engine. Now on my 16 Maybach (till tomorrow morning when new owner picks it up) the engine has been steller with no issues in 75000 miles. The coils on my car are one per cylinder made by Delphi.
I did have to replace the ABC pump at 50000 something miles which I find kind of strange for the failure but hey it was slightly less than 3000 dollars. Not a huge deal.
I suppose like I said earlier the older version of the V12 can be more problematic.
I did have to replace the ABC pump at 50000 something miles which I find kind of strange for the failure but hey it was slightly less than 3000 dollars. Not a huge deal.
I suppose like I said earlier the older version of the V12 can be more problematic.
