Motor Trend compares four "S" Class challengers
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Motor Trend compares four "S" Class challengers
The March Motor Trend has an article on four cars that challenge the M-B "S" Class. I know this is "E" Class forum, but still interesting. They compared BMW 7, Lexus LS, Lincoln Continental and Genesis G90 and used the top models in each. G90 won.
The implication for M-B is that MT promises a comparison later between G90 and M-B "S" Of course M-B "S" ranges in price from $80,000 to almost $200,000.
Many of the factors in play are applicable to all M-B vehicles: cost to own; safety features without expensive options; reliability; actual ride comfort; features; infotainment systems; etc.
It was a good article and fairly fair comparison.
The implication for M-B is that MT promises a comparison later between G90 and M-B "S" Of course M-B "S" ranges in price from $80,000 to almost $200,000.
Many of the factors in play are applicable to all M-B vehicles: cost to own; safety features without expensive options; reliability; actual ride comfort; features; infotainment systems; etc.
It was a good article and fairly fair comparison.
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The March Motor Trend has an article on four cars that challenge the M-B "S" Class. I know this is "E" Class forum, but still interesting. They compared BMW 7, Lexus LS, Lincoln Continental and Genesis G90 and used the top models in each. G90 won.
The implication for M-B is that MT promises a comparison later between G90 and M-B "S" Of course M-B "S" ranges in price from $80,000 to almost $200,000.
Many of the factors in play are applicable to all M-B vehicles: cost to own; safety features without expensive options; reliability; actual ride comfort; features; infotainment systems; etc.
It was a good article and fairly fair comparison.
The implication for M-B is that MT promises a comparison later between G90 and M-B "S" Of course M-B "S" ranges in price from $80,000 to almost $200,000.
Many of the factors in play are applicable to all M-B vehicles: cost to own; safety features without expensive options; reliability; actual ride comfort; features; infotainment systems; etc.
It was a good article and fairly fair comparison.
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01-30-2018, 12:07 AM
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Can't stand the front ends on the new Lexus models. Grill looks obscene. Plus I can get a 2 year old S Class with under 15K miles for around 70K that will smoke any of these posers in performance and comfort. Stuttgart has it down cold when it comes to big bruiser sedans.
01-30-2018, 09:38 AM
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OK so MT writes an article about 4 cars that COULD challenge the S-class WITHOUT actually challenging the S-class.
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I feel vindicated! Some of you may have read my review of the G90 5.0 V8 model that I posted a few months ago, after having it for an extended test drive. I raved about the car, but as expected, many here poo-pooed it. After reading this article, I am reminded of all the good in the G90. No, it’s not an S Class. Yes, Wolf, it is “less for less,” but I feel it is only somewhat less for WAY less. I am thrilled that the G90 was built, as it is cars like this that kick the established brands in the *** and get them looking in their rear view mirror. The G90 is a magnificent car, built by a company that recognizes what a big, luxury sedan should be: comfortable, silent, elegant and NOT sporty.
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imo, MB will feel its *** has been kicked only if the G90 proves to be a sales success. I haven't seen numbers but my guess is that in unit terms it may not have made much of a splash, at least not yet.
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Genesis sold 3,498 in 2017 (1st year on market) and S sold 15,888. While 3,498 may not sound like much, that is a new car for a new make that barely has their dealer network sorted out.
Nobody said Genesis was going to kick M-B's ***, only that it was rated better than the other four "challengers" in the MT comparison. However, it will be studied by the people in Atlanta and Stuttgart.
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...-benz-s-class/
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Looks as if Genesis creators agree with MB that buyers of higher end cars only want boring interior and exterior colors. Most listings are black, silver and gray.
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Even though we knew this was coming, this is an interesting article: https://www.thecarconnection.com/new...wn-dealerships
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Well, in many ways, you can’t blame them from not wanting to reinvent the wheel. However, I personally like some of the Genesis colors more than those on the W222. But, give Genesis time. Unlike MB, the Asians tend to LISTEN to their customers and respond to their desires and criticisms.
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Even though we knew this was coming, this is an interesting article: https://www.thecarconnection.com/new...wn-dealerships
Another problem is that all the valet service, car exchange, etc. ends after three years. So then you would have to take your G90 to an actual Genesis dealership.
Personally, not sure I want a driver to drive my car 50 miles mostly on a very crowded interstate to get it serviced and then drive it back 50 miles to me. Then after 3 years, I have to get it there myself.
I'm sure Genesis will get it worked out. They seem to be pretty good about executing their plans and doing their homework.
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S Class sales have been dropping since 2014, 10,000 fewer in 2017 than 2014.
Genesis sold 3,498 in 2017 (1st year on market) and S sold 15,888. While 3,498 may not sound like much, that is a new car for a new make that barely has their dealer network sorted out.
Nobody said Genesis was going to kick M-B's ***, only that it was rated better than the other four "challengers" in the MT comparison. However, it will be studied by the people in Atlanta and Stuttgart.
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...-benz-s-class/
Genesis sold 3,498 in 2017 (1st year on market) and S sold 15,888. While 3,498 may not sound like much, that is a new car for a new make that barely has their dealer network sorted out.
Nobody said Genesis was going to kick M-B's ***, only that it was rated better than the other four "challengers" in the MT comparison. However, it will be studied by the people in Atlanta and Stuttgart.
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...-benz-s-class/
S Class sales have been dropping since 2014, 10,000 fewer in 2017 than 2014...
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...-benz-s-class/
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...-benz-s-class/
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Hopefully I won't suffer the same fate I did with the Volkswagen W12 Phaeton back in 2004. They only sold 2500 of them in 3 years, then it flopped in America. Other parts of the world , the Phaeton is doing OK.
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Just to reiterate from prior threads related to the Genesis, I think the car is a fine car, competent and represents a very good value. The styling is conservative with many "European design elements" unlike the Lexus which now looks just like any other Asian model (plus the offensive looking grill). That's a good thing.
That said, the car simply isn't equal to an S-Class, doesn't have the quality, technology, brand and also the support network. I also prefer the safety record of Mercedes because I trust German cars more for their crash safety. That is a priceless attribute IMO.
The Lexus comparison of the 1980's is being brought up time and again but it simply doesn't apply anymore. If the German are slow, it has been on the EV side, nothing else.
Sorry Stream, for me it is still less for less. That that doesn't mean its a bad thing though. It still means good value.
That said, the car simply isn't equal to an S-Class, doesn't have the quality, technology, brand and also the support network. I also prefer the safety record of Mercedes because I trust German cars more for their crash safety. That is a priceless attribute IMO.
The Lexus comparison of the 1980's is being brought up time and again but it simply doesn't apply anymore. If the German are slow, it has been on the EV side, nothing else.
Sorry Stream, for me it is still less for less. That that doesn't mean its a bad thing though. It still means good value.
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Sat in the G90 at our local car show and thought it was a very nice car. I could see why somebody would buy one given the price and the likelihood of significantly lower maintenance costs relative to the S Class. My problem would be if I owned one every time I saw an S class.....
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Ah, that’s not how one should look at it. My father would have looked at it like that. To him, a car got you from point A to point B, period. To me, (and probably you, Hype
) cars are a form of entertainment and enjoyment. If I can’t motor from A to B in a car I like, that’s no fun! I feel that these amazingly safe, fast, beautiful and comfortable cars are an investment in the safety of myself and my family, a decadant gift to my senses, along with a perk for my decades of hard work. A waste of money? Maybe to some folks, but not to me.
) cars are a form of entertainment and enjoyment. If I can’t motor from A to B in a car I like, that’s no fun! I feel that these amazingly safe, fast, beautiful and comfortable cars are an investment in the safety of myself and my family, a decadant gift to my senses, along with a perk for my decades of hard work. A waste of money? Maybe to some folks, but not to me.
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Ah, that’s not how one should look at it. My father would have looked at it like that. To him, a car got you from point A to point B, period. To me, (and probably you, Hype
) cars are a form of entertainment and enjoyment. If I can’t motor from A to B in a car I like, that’s no fun! I feel that these amazingly safe, fast, beautiful and comfortable cars are an investment in the safety of myself and my family, a decadant gift to my senses, along with a perk for my decades of hard work. A waste of money? Maybe to some folks, but not to me.However, I agree with you that it primarily is about what pleases us and makes us happy as we drive along.
For some people,driving a car with a star or roundel or L on the front makes them feel better. Personally I think that is a part of all luxury car purchases. To follow up on MBNUT's comment, in 2009 I spent about six months studying and test driving "luxury" sedans. But, when I was driving my very nice medium-price car, every time I saw an M-B, BMW, Lexus, Acura, etc., I thought: Hey, I can drive a car in that class also. That's why I got an M-B "E" Class. Looked at "S", but a little too pricey for me. Ironically, I came close to getting a Lexus LS, but the E was a better fit.
For others, knowing they got a good deal or got a really good car for less money will please them as much.
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Yes, I mostly agree with you, but lately, as I age, (hehe) I have been reconsidering these luxuries we enjoy......it's wearing thin on me, and I'd like my money more than fancy cars It will be tough to trade my S, but I'll feel better when it's done.......I do want to keep driving my AMG however: for the reasons you mentioned Stream
It will be tough to trade my S, but I'll feel better when it's done.......I do want to keep driving my AMG however: for the reasons you mentioned Stream
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Yes, I mostly agree with you, but lately, as I age, (hehe) I have been reconsidering these luxuries we enjoy......it's wearing thin on me, and I'd like my money more than fancy cars It will be tough to trade my S, but I'll feel better when it's done.......I do want to keep driving my AMG however: for the reasons you mentioned Stream
It will be tough to trade my S, but I'll feel better when it's done.......I do want to keep driving my AMG however: for the reasons you mentioned Stream So with all that saved money from not buying high end cars what will you then turn around and spend the money on? Unless you plan to hide it under the mattress all day?
