What do you think of this?
05-31-2018, 03:22 PM
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What do you think of this?
In no way do I want this to turn into a political argument, but this article has me really worried. This has not been verified yet, but it would be horrible for our beloved MB if it actually takes place. Even the tariffs on aluminum and steel have me worried. Once again, please don't turn this into a political shouting match.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/31/trum...in-the-us.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/31/trum...in-the-us.html
05-31-2018, 03:46 PM
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In no way do I want this to turn into a political argument, but this article has me really worried. This has not been verified yet, but it would be horrible for our beloved MB if it actually takes place. Even the tariffs on aluminum and steel have me worried. Once again, please don't turn this into a political shouting match.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/31/trum...in-the-us.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/31/trum...in-the-us.html
This will not be good for us who love our MB cars. Just say if my ‘16 S550 4matic MSRP of $137k had say a 25% tariff. That would bring the MSRP to $171k. Not good. I clearly am not in favor of paying an extra $34k for the ping pong battle going on with the tariffs. So I better stop now before I start down a political track🙂.
05-31-2018, 03:49 PM
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This is hard not turning this into some political discussion but I will refrain—and I am a very moderate registered republican.
This will not be good for us who love our MB cars. Just say if my ‘16 S550 4matic MSRP of $137k had say a 25% tariff. That would bring the MSRP to $171k. Not good. I clearly am not in favor of paying an extra $34k for the ping pong battle going on with the tariffs. So I better stop now before I start down a political track🙂.
05-31-2018, 06:01 PM
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What I wrote in a thread 2 weeks ago (since moved to the political section of the forum) is that there's a good chance it won't happen. Chances are, either Trump backs down in the face of threatened European retaliatory tariffs on US exports like ag commodities or aircraft or construction equipment, etc. OR the Germans "announce" expansions of plants in AL, SC, TN that were probably planned anyway, and then Trump can go around touting how "he" has brought X thousands of jobs from German auto companies over to the U.S.
05-31-2018, 06:26 PM
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What I wrote in a thread 2 weeks ago (since moved to the political section of the forum) is that there's a good chance it won't happen. Chances are, either Trump backs down in the face of threatened European retaliatory tariffs on US exports like ag commodities or aircraft or construction equipment, etc. OR the Germans "announce" expansions of plants in AL, SC, TN that were probably planned anyway, and then Trump can go around touting how "he" has brought X thousands of jobs from German auto companies over to the U.S.
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Even without discussing politics, there is a level of stupidity on this subject matter not seen in decades.
I am hopeful that common sense prevails...
I am hopeful that common sense prevails...
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What I wrote in a thread 2 weeks ago (since moved to the political section of the forum) is that there's a good chance it won't happen. Chances are, either Trump backs down in the face of threatened European retaliatory tariffs on US exports like ag commodities or aircraft or construction equipment, etc. OR the Germans "announce" expansions of plants in AL, SC, TN that were probably planned anyway, and then Trump can go around touting how "he" has brought X thousands of jobs from German auto companies over to the U.S.
05-31-2018, 08:11 PM
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Does anyone know what fraction of American cars would compete against the bulk of German imports? When I think of these I'm thinking mid to high end MB, Audi, and BMW. An Audi A4 is around $36K.
Cadillac comes to mind. Chevy has Corvette, but I don't think of that as a luxury car and its just one car.. Ford is discontinuing just about all their sedans. Chrysler 300?
As has been pointed out, some MBs and BMWs are made in America now.
So I don't really understand how a tariff on German cars will be all that helpful to American car builders. I will admit I could be totally missing something here, I just don't know what it is.
If an S-Class became too expensive, would that buyer get an E-class or a Cadillac?
Cadillac comes to mind. Chevy has Corvette, but I don't think of that as a luxury car and its just one car.. Ford is discontinuing just about all their sedans. Chrysler 300?
As has been pointed out, some MBs and BMWs are made in America now.
So I don't really understand how a tariff on German cars will be all that helpful to American car builders. I will admit I could be totally missing something here, I just don't know what it is.
If an S-Class became too expensive, would that buyer get an E-class or a Cadillac?
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05-31-2018, 08:28 PM
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I guess the good news for you guys that already own an S class yours would become more valuable. For those of us who don't yet bummer.
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Does anyone know what fraction of American cars would compete against the bulk of German imports? When I think of these I'm thinking mid to high end MB, Audi, and BMW. An Audi A4 is around $36K.
Cadillac comes to mind. Chevy has Corvette, but I don't think of that as a luxury car and its just one car.. Ford is discontinuing just about all their sedans. Chrysler 300?
As has been pointed out, some MBs and BMWs are made in America now.
So I don't really understand how a tariff on German cars will be all that helpful to American car builders. I will admit I could be totally missing something here, I just don't know what it is.
If an S-Class became too expensive, would that buyer get an E-class or a Cadillac?
Cadillac comes to mind. Chevy has Corvette, but I don't think of that as a luxury car and its just one car.. Ford is discontinuing just about all their sedans. Chrysler 300?
As has been pointed out, some MBs and BMWs are made in America now.
So I don't really understand how a tariff on German cars will be all that helpful to American car builders. I will admit I could be totally missing something here, I just don't know what it is.
If an S-Class became too expensive, would that buyer get an E-class or a Cadillac?
05-31-2018, 09:00 PM
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I believe that one of the big goals, would be to get more foreign brands to build more of their cars in the U.S. If I am not mistaken, all of the highest end sedans are built in the home countries, like the S Class, 7 Series, Lexus LS, etc. The President campaigned on bringing the jobs “back” to the U.S., and high paying auto assembly jobs are probably near the top of his list. I have no doubt that President Trump is simply making strategic chess moves at this point and I highly doubt we will ever see any long term tariffs on German cars.
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I believe that one of the big goals, would be to get more foreign brands to build more of their cars in the U.S. If I am not mistaken, all of the highest end sedans are built in the home countries, like the S Class, 7 Series, Lexus LS, etc. The President campaigned on bringing the jobs “back” to the U.S., and high paying auto assembly jobs are probably near the top of his list. I have no doubt that President Trump is simply making strategic chess moves at this point and I highly doubt we will ever see any long term tariffs on German cars.
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I believe that one of the big goals, would be to get more foreign brands to build more of their cars in the U.S. If I am not mistaken, all of the highest end sedans are built in the home countries, like the S Class, 7 Series, Lexus LS, etc. The President campaigned on bringing the jobs “back” to the U.S., and high paying auto assembly jobs are probably near the top of his list. I have no doubt that President Trump is simply making strategic chess moves at this point and I highly doubt we will ever see any long term tariffs on German cars.
An S Class built in the US would lower it's cachet. The early C's built here were a disaster in terms of build quality. Oh course maybe they could get the assemblers to sign the engines like AMG. "Bubba ...."
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Let's assume for the sake of argument that Mercedes and BMW will never build their high-end models in the US. Using a tariff strategy to force that type of production would be a fools errand. More important, China is a more lucrative market for these brands than the US and the rapid "forced" change to EV tech will accelerate that.
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The irony in all of this is that Trump has owned many Mercedes and Maybach cars over time. As well as many other European makes. Just another disaster administration like everyone before him.
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What I wrote in a thread 2 weeks ago (since moved to the political section of the forum) is that there's a good chance it won't happen. Chances are, either Trump backs down in the face of threatened European retaliatory tariffs on US exports like ag commodities or aircraft or construction equipment, etc. OR the Germans "announce" expansions of plants in AL, SC, TN that were probably planned anyway, and then Trump can go around touting how "he" has brought X thousands of jobs from German auto companies over to the U.S.
I think you are right. I also would agree that I think this is going to fail because even he knows how stupid it is.
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Of course, you are right. I don’t ever see an S Class being built here. However, perhaps other MB, Audi, BMW, Lexus, etc. models could be. I don’t think the President cares about the model, he just wants more Americans employed, building MORE of the vehicles that foreign companies are selling here. I believe he will prevail in this quest.
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Of course, you are right. I don’t ever see an S Class being built here. However, perhaps other MB, Audi, BMW, Lexus, etc. models could be. I don’t think the President cares about the model, he just wants more Americans employed, building MORE of the vehicles that foreign companies are selling here. I believe he will prevail in this quest.
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Posturing, intimidation, threats, all are typical traits of a real estate developer trying to negotiate the best deal possible.
Trump is only using his business experience to get a better deal in trade for US, does not mean any of what he threatens will happen.
Don't worry, imports will keep coming as they do and prices will be unaffected.
Prices of US products in Europe might come down though, this whole thing is only about THEIR existing (very high while US are almost none) tariffs on our products.
Trump is only using his business experience to get a better deal in trade for US, does not mean any of what he threatens will happen.
Don't worry, imports will keep coming as they do and prices will be unaffected.
Prices of US products in Europe might come down though, this whole thing is only about THEIR existing (very high while US are almost none) tariffs on our products.
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Posturing, intimidation, threats, all are typical traits of a real estate developer trying to negotiate the best deal possible.
Trump is only using his business experience to get a better deal in trade for US, does not mean any of what he threatens will happen.
Don't worry, imports will keep coming as they do and prices will be unaffected.
Prices of US products in Europe might come down though, this whole thing is only about THEIR existing (very high while US are almost none) tariffs on our products.
Trump is only using his business experience to get a better deal in trade for US, does not mean any of what he threatens will happen.
Don't worry, imports will keep coming as they do and prices will be unaffected.
Prices of US products in Europe might come down though, this whole thing is only about THEIR existing (very high while US are almost none) tariffs on our products.
