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Does anyone know what the engine code is for the W222 S63? There is a 2015 S63AMG which can be had for the same price as a brand new LWB S550 here. I'm entertaining what I think if a ridiculous sedan but figure, why not entertain this given the price?
Anyone know if these 4.0L engines are notorious when it comes to reliability? I think I read something about how V engines being really underdeveloped right now from a reliability standpoint. thanks!
Does anyone know what the engine code is for the W222 S63? There is a 2015 S63AMG which can be had for the same price as a brand new LWB S550 here. I'm entertaining what I think if a ridiculous sedan but figure, why not entertain this given the price?
Anyone know if these 4.0L engines are notorious when it comes to reliability? I think I read something about how V engines being really underdeveloped right now from a reliability standpoint. thanks!
The price of the S63 is one thing, the care and feeding is another. If you are looking for a deal on an S63, you cannot afford one. You will want a warranty and those are not cheap on an AMG car.
The price of the S63 is one thing, the care and feeding is another. If you are looking for a deal on an S63, you cannot afford one. You will want a warranty and those are not cheap on an AMG car.
What? I disagree. Just because one is looking for a deal does not mean they cannot afford the maintenance.
On the other hand, if one thinks the maintenance cost on a S63 is the same as a S560, S450, or S550 then I think they better take another look since the cost to maintain a S63 is much more expensive.
The price of the S63 is one thing, the care and feeding is another. If you are looking for a deal on an S63, you cannot afford one. You will want a warranty and those are not cheap on an AMG car.
7 year warranty from MB with the CPO credit means the cost of 7 year extended warranty for the AMG = the same price as a 7 year for a new S450/550. The only difference obviously is 2019 + 7 years versus 2015 + 7 years is slightly different...
What? I disagree. Just because one is looking for a deal does not mean they cannot afford the maintenance.
On the other hand, if one thinks the maintenance cost on a S63 is the same as a S560, S450, or S550 then I think they better take another look since the cost to maintain a S63 is much more expensive.
Of course, that is a given. That said, cost of maintenance (out of pocket) while within warranty period is basically the same. After warranty is over though, no doubt the S63 will be orders of magnitude more expensive to maintain.
Of course, that is a given. That said, cost of maintenance (out of pocket) while within warranty period is basically the same. After warranty is over though, no doubt the S63 will be orders of magnitude more expensive to maintain.
Are you sure the cost of maintenance is the same within the warranty period? You better check your facts and figures. Brakes are not replaced under warranty and are an out of pocket cost. The cost to replace pads and rotors on the S63 are much much more expensive. To the tune of about $6000+ for the front and rear brakes (pads and rotors—each rotor may be about $1000). And that is not the Carbon Cermic Brakes either.
Are you sure the cost of maintenance is the same within the warranty period? You better check your facts and figures. Brakes are not replaced under warranty and are an out of pocket cost. The cost to replace pads and rotors on the S63 are much much more expensive. To the tune of about $6000+ for the front and rear brakes (pads and rotors—each rotor may be about $1000). And that is not the Carbon Cermic Brakes either.
I have a 7 year old car with 72,000kms, and I'm still on stock rotors and rims (so I didn't count brakes/rotors as stuff within the warranty period). That said, no, I was not aware of what you told me, and will ask. I source my parts (OEM) through a wholesaler, so quite often I'm getting parts at 40% off. It's nice to have a friend in the business :-)
I have a 7 year old car with 72,000kms, and I'm still on stock rotors and rims (so I didn't count brakes/rotors as stuff within the warranty period). That said, no, I was not aware of what you told me, and will ask. I source my parts (OEM) through a wholesaler, so quite often I'm getting parts at 40% off. It's nice to have a friend in the business :-)
But yes, I will check. That is news to me.
I have done my research on the cost to maintain the S63 since I ordered a 2019 S63 in June for Euro Delivery later this year. Otherwise I have owned a bunch of S classes over the past 25 years but not the S63 until this year. Also you better call your insurance agent because you may be shocked by the cost of your auto insurance premiums with the S63.
2020 S560 Sedan, 2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, '24 BMW I7 on order...
So, considering a new S63 compared to a new S560, the AMG car is much more expensive to buy or lease, much more expensive to maintain, much more expensive to insure, depreciates more and quicker, has inferior ride comfort, BUT it is faster and much quicker. Since the S560 is so frigging fast and quick, to the point where much of its performance capabilities are virtually unusable in the USA, if one cares even remotely about breaking traffic laws, why anyone would go for the 63 is just amazing to me.
So, considering a new S63 compared to a new S560, the AMG car is much more expensive to buy or lease, much more expensive to maintain, much more expensive to insure, depreciates more and quicker, has inferior ride comfort, BUT it is faster and much quicker. why anyone would go for the 63 is just amazing to me.
A lot more people would ask why you would spend over 100K on a new car as well.
Not a lot of people can afford it and for those who cannot I don't understand why it is any of their concern. This is a general comment btw and not directed any anyone!
2020 S560 Sedan, 2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, '24 BMW I7 on order...
I understand about having a lot of money. Maybe a better way to look at this, is if we consider the S63 & S560, price independent. If they were both, exactly the same price and had all the same options, I’d take the 560. I want the best. Overall, IMO, the S560 is a much better car than any AMG version, for lawful operation in the USA.
I also understand about the status associated with more expensive items. All I can say to that, is that IMO, as you get older, most folks see the folly in trying to impress others, I know I have.
I like AMG's and understand why people opt for them over their standard brethren but I feel that in case of the S-Class it is a bit less of a differentiator. The ride is still plush in the AMG (unlike other AMG's) and the interior and exterior design elements are quite subtle. Different sound track but still subtle for an AMG as well. If the discussion is strictly about a used 2015 S63 vs a new S560, that would be a no-brainer; the S560 is the better car.
Better electronics, excellent engine with a well matched transmission, better safety features.
The MY15 still has the old 7 speed MCT and there have been quite a few instances that the cars weren't as fast as advertised and ran well above 4 sec to 60. Great car though but the price on these should be well below a new S560. In fact, the last MY15 S65 I saw for sale locally was priced below the S560 and those cars were around $230k+ new in the US...
There is no doubt that between a 2015 S63AMG and a 2019 S450/560 that the overall cost of maintenance is lower, or should be lower with the latter. That said, there are a few things going for the S63 in my case. One, dealer MSRP is $110K, versus the S450 with all the toys I want is $100K. The former (S63) also is LWB, and has the Extended Trim elements and rear seat package, so now we're really talking about a better optioned car with the S63. My understanding is that it should ride as well as the S450/560 because it doesn't even have RFTs, although as per C&D's instrumented tests, it should be about 1db more in the sound department.
I understand that people often buy these things as a status symbol, but I do not care what people think about what my ride is. I do, however, care, about what I think my car looks like, so hence my dilemma between a S450 SWB and a S560LWB. The only reason I entertained buying this S63AMG was because it was one of the very rare used S classes here that come with the Burmester 3D stereo, and it is within a price point that was roughly the same as what I was buying new.
So why else per se? Sure, there is no way one can take advantage of the performance of the S63 without getting put in jail for a thousand years, but it sure would be fun to let her loose once in a while eh? I don't recall the last time I went on the highway and didn't WOT my car. I drive my car hard, but that's because it's really not THAT fast of a car. With a S63, I think I could have more fun.
That said everyone here brought me back down to Earth with respect to maintaining this S63, so thus have reneged and will wait for the 19s to come around and will most likely order an S (or an A8, although I'm leaning towards an S at this point) and get it done.
That said if the S63 depreciates some more...who knows?
MSRP right now, $110,020 + tax.
Premium Package,Exclusive Package,Premium Rear Seating Package,designo Piano Black Lacquer Trim,Burmester High-End Surround Sound System,Air Balance Package
There is no doubt that between a 2015 S63AMG and a 2019 S450/560 that the overall cost of maintenance is lower, or should be lower with the latter. That said, there are a few things going for the S63 in my case. One, dealer MSRP is $110K, versus the S450 with all the toys I want is $100K. The former (S63) also is LWB, and has the Extended Trim elements and rear seat package, so now we're really talking about a better optioned car with the S63. My understanding is that it should ride as well as the S450/560 because it doesn't even have RFTs, although as per C&D's instrumented tests, it should be about 1db more in the sound department.
I understand that people often buy these things as a status symbol, but I do not care what people think about what my ride is. I do, however, care, about what I think my car looks like, so hence my dilemma between a S450 SWB and a S560LWB. The only reason I entertained buying this S63AMG was because it was one of the very rare used S classes here that come with the Burmester 3D stereo, and it is within a price point that was roughly the same as what I was buying new.
So why else per se? Sure, there is no way one can take advantage of the performance of the S63 without getting put in jail for a thousand years, but it sure would be fun to let her loose once in a while eh? I don't recall the last time I went on the highway and didn't WOT my car. I drive my car hard, but that's because it's really not THAT fast of a car. With a S63, I think I could have more fun.
That said everyone here brought me back down to Earth with respect to maintaining this S63, so thus have reneged and will wait for the 19s to come around and will most likely order an S (or an A8, although I'm leaning towards an S at this point) and get it done.
That said if the S63 depreciates some more...who knows?
MSRP right now, $110,020 + tax.
Premium Package,Exclusive Package,Premium Rear Seating Package,designo Piano Black Lacquer Trim,Burmester High-End Surround Sound System,Air Balance Package
EDIT: Didn't read your whole response so this is just for reference
EDIT: Didn't read your whole response so this is just for reference
I don't know about the used market where you live but a well equipped MY15 S63 should be well under $100k in the US (more like $75k-$90k)
Not a good example here but for reference; this car will likely go for 69K https://www.ebay.com/itm/31224244614...m=312242446143
Works out to roughly the same price since I"m in CAD
The biggest single hit you take on an S class is when you drive it off the lot new. From there the AMG cars take a bigger hit because of the limited buyers for a used AMG. I typically buy a nice 2 year old example and drive it for 3 or 4 years and then sell it. Still lose money but not nearly as much as if I purchased new. Everyone is different though and some folks dont care about depreciation as much.
I was in exactly this same position - buy/lease new regular S Class versus getting a CPO S63 AMG.
Went with the AMG and have no regrets - I got a good deal (*much* cheaper than new S Class, someone else took the AMG depreciation hit), free servicing for 2 years, 3D Burmester sound system. I like the way the AMG car looks much better and it sounds insane in sport mode too.
Best of all that incredible performance - not the top speed, obviously can't use that - but don't forget, when you have a car built for 200mph it means the car is comfortably within its limits at all times - cornering, accelerating and those incredible brakes.
No one *needs* an S-Class, this isn't about *need*, it's about enjoyment and indulgence. You worked hard, none of us are getting any younger, enjoy your crazy AMG while you can. We'll all be in electric self driving cars soon enough.
Is the s63 all wheel drive? So just browsed some quik used s63 prices... man alot of car for the $$. Personally if they are awd id opt for that over a reg s550. Thanks alot guys now ill be looking at s63's..lol
Is the s63 all wheel drive? So just browsed some quik used s63 prices... man alot of car for the $$. Personally if they are awd id opt for that over a reg s550. Thanks alot guys now ill be looking at s63's..lol
Here they are. S63 4matic.
Just remember they are also a lot of $ to repair once out of warranty. I don't think the bill of repairing a S450, as an example, out of warranty, is a lot of money.
well, here is how u gotta look at it... what do you want to drive? I picked up a cpo s550 last year and so far have loved the car. Im prb going to keep it within warty then trade it for another one. How long are u planning on keeping the car? Most of my cars i dont keep long enough to change the rotors and i dont do many miles a year.
well, here is how u gotta look at it... what do you want to drive? I picked up a cpo s550 last year and so far have loved the car. Im prb going to keep it within warty then trade it for another one. How long are u planning on keeping the car? Most of my cars i dont keep long enough to change the rotors and i dont do many miles a year.
I always plan for the worst, and hope for the best.
Here's an example. When I bought my current car, I operated under the mindset that I would operate/own it until the wheels fell off of the car. I actually have a brand new set of rotors and pads sitting in the garage (and have had this for more than 1.5 years). Of course now that I have the rotors/pads they just won't die, LOL!
So right now, I still have 6 months of ELW left (bought the 7 year plan) and I don't need a new car, and I'm happy to continue owning it/operating it even after warranty.
That said, I'm itching for a new car, not that I need one, so I don't need to ditch my current car out of reliability concerns.
That's why I talked myself out of the S63. I feel that the worry/concern of something catastrophic going wrong with the S63 would outdo the pleasure I'd get from mashing the throttle into the firewall and going to Warp speed 9.89
09-20-2018, 11:50 AM
