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Old 09-06-2017, 04:01 PM
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DACA; Good, Bad or Ugly?

Seems Obama first said he couldn't,

Then said he did,

But it was temporary,

Just till Congress could act,

(Praised by many!)

Now Trump says,

The President shouldn't,

and,

Temporary is coming to an end,

and,

Congress should act.

(Bemoaned by many)
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DACA provided a temporary reprieve for many young people facing possible deportation from the only country they've ever known. Legal scholars can argue about the Constitutionality of the EO until the cows come home for all I care at this point, a long as Congress does the right/fair thing and enacts a law protecting these innocents. If Congress doesn't, my money's on President Trump to protect them by whatever means that is/are legally available to him.
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Originally Posted by AMGfaninVA View Post
DACA provided a temporary reprieve for many young people facing possible deportation from the only country they've ever known. Legal scholars can argue about the Constitutionality of the EO until the cows come home for all I care at this point, a long as Congress does the right/fair thing and enacts a law protecting these innocents. If Congress doesn't, my money's on President Trump to protect them by whatever means that is/are legally available to him.
Who is the arbiter of the right/fair thing ?
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Who is the arbiter of the right/fair thing ?
If you don't know already, you're on your own.
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If you don't know already, you're on your own.
Said the fool!
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Said the fool!
The fool is the one who asked the foolish question.
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Originally Posted by AMGfaninVA View Post
The fool is the one who asked the foolish question.
The answer is; In the US the LAW in the arbiter, and the LAW cares little about "Fair", and often differs from the various definitions of "Right" given by self important a$$holes like yourself!

Go take your ODD elsewhere!
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Originally Posted by N_Jay View Post
The answer is; In the US the LAW in the arbiter, and the LAW cares little about "Fair", and often differs from the various definitions of "Right" given by self important a$$holes like yourself!

Go take your ODD elsewhere!
Tisk tisk, someone's thin skin is showing.
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Tisk tisk, someone's thin skin is showing.
Tisk tisk, you think I care about an a$$hole like you.
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Tisk tisk, you think I care about an a$$hole like you.
Like an itch inside your head that you can't scratch.

Living rent free.
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Like an itch inside your head that you can't scratch.

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Federal judge rules against Trump administration’s effort to end DACA protections.

Judge Blocks Trump’s Scrapping of DACA Program
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ocked-by-judge

Excellent!

Hopefully this action will prevent Trump from using the lives hundreds of thousands of young people as leverage to strong arm legislators into paying for his “big beautiful wall”
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Been a while in this thread so taking a look:

Can't wait to see the SCOTUS overturn this judge (Again)
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Not overturned, vacated and sent back to the District Judge to correct/make necessary changes to, ...
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000...5-77fba6610000
and now the block is back in place.

Pity that McCarthy interrupted Trump (who apparently lost track of the subject and contradicted himself) yesterday when he agreed with Feinstein that DACA should be dealt with as a “clean” bill.
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Originally Posted by AMGfaninVA View Post
Not overturned, vacated and sent back to the District Judge to correct/make necessary changes to, ...
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000...5-77fba6610000
and now the block is back in place.
A difference without a distinction.

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Pity that McCarthy interrupted Trump (who apparently lost track of the subject and contradicted himself) yesterday when he agreed with Feinstein that DACA should be dealt with as a “clean” bill.
Lots of MSM spin. "Clean Bills" can address more than one issue.
Just don't tie it to an open future issue like passing required spending.

Glossary

clean bill - Generally, after a committee has amended legislation, the chairman may be authorized by the panel to assemble the changes and what remains unchanged from the original bill and then reintroduce everything as a clean bill. A clean bill may expedite Senate action by avoiding separate floor consideration of each committee amendment.
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Originally Posted by N_Jay View Post
A difference without a distinction.
Wrong. An order is overturned when SCOTUS disagrees, requiring an entirely new order be written. An order is vacated when SCOTUS disagrees with portions and sends it back to the lower court for editing.

If you had read the order you would understand that.


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Lots of MSM spin. "Clean Bills" can address more than one issue.
Just don't tie it to an open future issue like passing required spending.
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The definition you provided does not support your argument. There’s no mention of any line items not related to the bill being included. Also, had you paid attention to the video you would have seen how quickly/anxiously McCarthy jumped in to stop the single issue (clean bill) of DACA being it's own separate bill, because he clearly understood Feinstein’s intent. Instead, he pushed for a bill that would include DACA, border protection/wall, and “chain migration”.

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Not even bothering to look.

My guess is some arguing of differences without distinction and the meaning of "Clean Bills".

Nothing to be added to the conversation by my stalker.
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^^ Typical “no sack” N_J.

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Not sure how a judge can block any president from rescinding an executive order, oh it was a 9th circuit judge. Makes sense. This will be overturned just like the obstructionist and illegal orders blocking the travel ban.

I can't believe that the democrats are holding the government hostage over keeping 800k illegal aliens around. What other country does this happen in?

They have to go back. Bottom line.
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Not sure how a judge can block any president from rescinding an executive order, oh it was a 9th circuit judge. Makes sense. This will be overturned just like the obstructionist and illegal orders blocking the travel ban.

I can't believe that the democrats are holding the government hostage over keeping 800k illegal aliens around. What other country does this happen in?

They have to go back. Bottom line.

If I was Trump, I would have a stack of EOs ready with minor differences in the wording. Every day or so, I would sign one. LOL!
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Originally Posted by G_Money View Post
Not sure how a judge can block any president from rescinding an executive order, oh it was a 9th circuit judge. Makes sense. This will be overturned just like the obstructionist and illegal orders blocking the travel ban.
I can't believe that the democrats are holding the government hostage over keeping 800k illegal aliens around. What other country does this happen in?
They have to go back. Bottom line.
Congrats on packing so much ignorance into a relatively short post.
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If I was Trump, I would have a stack of EOs ready with minor differences in the wording. Every day or so, I would sign one. LOL!
No different than Trump, and with the same success.
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Congrats on packing so much ignorance into a relatively short post.
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No different than Trump, and with the same success.
Congrats on being unable of addressing anything i said directly. Again.
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Originally Posted by AMGfaninVA View Post
DACA provided a temporary reprieve for many young people facing possible deportation from the only country they've ever known. Legal scholars can argue about the Constitutionality of the EO until the cows come home for all I care at this point, a long as Congress does the right/fair thing and enacts a law protecting these innocents. If Congress doesn't, my money's on President Trump to protect them by whatever means that is/are legally available to him.
"innocents" lmao. They are guilty of coming here illegally.

The best way to protect illegal immigrants is by sending them back. That would eliminate companies paying them unfair wages, and criminals predating on them, both doing so because they know their victims are illegal immigrants and can't get help via traditional channels.
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Congrats on being unable of addressing anything i said directly. Again.
Ok.
Originally Posted by G_Money View Post
Not sure how a judge can block any president from rescinding an executive order, oh it was a 9th circuit judge. Makes sense. This will be overturned just like the obstructionist and illegal orders blocking the travel ban.
I can't believe that the democrats are holding the government hostage over keeping 800k illegal aliens around. What other country does this happen in?
They have to go back. Bottom line.
Yes, the blocks on the travel ban were meant to obstruct Trump’s attempts at a ban, and no, they weren’t illegal. That’s why Trump’s team had to make so many changes to get it approved. No hostage situation. Democrats and many Republicans are working to protect the “Dreamers” from deportation. And no, they don’t have to go back.

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"innocents" lmao. They are guilty of coming here illegally.

The best way to protect illegal immigrants is by sending them back. That would eliminate companies paying them unfair wages, and criminals predating on them, both doing so because they know their victims are illegal immigrants and can't get help via traditional channels.
By definition the “Dreamers” are innocents. They were brought here as little children/babies and had no say.

You're confusing the Dreamers with other immigrants. The Dreamers do have legal status and are protected by law.



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I can't quite figure out the Pro-DACA idiots.
They claim it is about helping these wonderful kids brought here through no fault of their own, it is a time limited effort, and does not encourage continued illegal migration, and it is not a pathway to citizenship.

However; It covers "unaccompanied minors", not just juveniles under parental control, it has been implemented with little identification requirements to ensure the applicants are actually minors, or entered at the defined time period, once granted permanent residency, allows for residency status for other family members, and once permanent residency is granted, provides a basis for application to citizenship.
Not to mention, that "minors" entering under the program become "parenting age" during their residency, and any children become citizens, further allowing an unrelated co-parent to apply for residency and citizenship.

The entire program is an intentional "open borders" initiative, and almost without exception, its defense requires illogical playing on heartstrings, or outright lies.
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