AMGBOY1

What do you guys think? I put all my money on the R63 smokin the ML. The R will leave the ML in the dust?

Ted Baldwin

.........and your basis for saying this is............?


Ted

Germancar1

I can't see that, the R is bigger and heavier than the ML so the ML63 should be faster. The R63 is likely going to be the first AMG product to ever outright flop around on the market. I can't see much demand for it consider the sluggish sales of the R350/500.

M

AMGBOY1

the R is more airodienamic though

medici78

I'm with Germancar1. The market has proven to be very receptive to $80K SUV's. $80K minivans on the other hand...
At the local M-B dealer, any time I asked a couple salesmen about the R-Class, the typical response was one of frustration. They are damn near impossible to sell.

K_Sport Driver

aerodynamic. and the R series is the ugliest MB ever made.

BoBcanada

I think R is a lil heavier?

FlyByNight

I love that. Because when I get one, I'll will have

1) A car that the wife can drive... and when I have to use the family car, it will at least be fun with the 63 engine in it and
2) It will be really cool to have 4 wheel drive attached to an AMG engine, finally, and
3) Everyone and their mother has a damn ML, which I think are about as creative as a block of ice. Jesus, Montero's have owned that shape since the 80s.
4) People will love it, or hate it... either way, they won't have it or see many of them and it will probably kick their own cars butt anyway.
5) I can haul a ton of crap without having a car jacked up off the ground! I have a lifted H2, so that's appealing.

I think that if people stood back and looked at the R class and really thought about it, they'd soon realize that it is a CLS with a big old A$S on it. Seriously. The shape and the design are all CLS born in the front end. Look at the windows, the angles, etc.

That's why its also controversial and people love it or hate it, just like the CLS. I've seen two... just TWO CLSs I've liked. Slammed and blacked out with body kits, and I can finally tolerate them. That said, the R class doesn't thrill me either.

HOWEVER, with a child on the way, I've been ordered to acquire a minivan.

The R63 is for guys like me... its the most outrageous mini van in history. Ugly or not, I'm in... and if I must drive a mini van, I'll still be loving it.

And ugly or not, just imagine the looks on the faces of those that mess with you... well worth it...

That's just my 2 cents.

Any word on pricing yet?



Loren

K_Sport Driver

well, really it's just a Chrysler Pacifica made even uglier than thought possible. why not wait for the GL? They're probably going to be about the same price, much more manly, and considerably less hideous! just my 2¢ good luck with the car hunt, and congrats on the baby!

MB Fanatic

Have you done your research? The R does not have one bolt or screw in common with the Pacifica. They ride on different chasis and are entirely different from one another.

K_Sport Driver

honestly, i don't really care. it's the same class vehicle, a minivan/SUV hybrid, they're both made by daimler chrysler, they're both hideous. what else matters? the motor? it's like the people who put V8's in dodge caravans. yeah, it's neat, but who really gives a ****? it's still a minivan.

Soon2bMB

Anyone order an ML63 yet?

Dj Euro

yeah i have one on order ... and i think that th r class is basicly an attempt for the dodge magnum, i think with some work that car can be a killer , its not realy a minivan its more like a wagon

ClayJ

I am doing the ML63, the R63, and the GL63....

I will post what I think of each as I take delivery.

Modeer

i think the goal of the R was to appeal to a family oriented market that has no luxurious/powerful alternatives to the average minivan... (though in my opinion why go for a minivan when u can go for an SUV that has the same space and looks cooooooler.. much coooooooler, the kids can learn to get into the suv, get used to a nonsliding door... and you have, in most trucks, more space in the back) and the R class also targets limo services n transportation for VIPs that are used by hotels, celebs, etc. ... but instead of that... why not just introduce a lower GL, or a GL with limo seats, for easy entry etc. ... i don't see the R sales generating high numbers, let alone the R63.

oh yeah..i think the ML would corooooz past the R cuz it is smaller and lighter... i'd definitely go with an ML or a GL over the R. (if only the GL looked nicer from the side... i hate it from the sides, ok with the rear, and in love with the front).

slk320

gangrun

0-60mph is identical in both the ML and R

Weight: ML-2880
R-2950 ML wins

Horses: ML-510
R-510 equal

torque(Nm):
ML-630@5200
R-630@5200 equal

I think the ML has the advantage, but only barely

transferred

Ooh, ever heard of the green eyed monster?.Don't tell me you wouldn't swap your car for an ML63? I don't like the R63 at all, but the ML is perfect for those who live in cold climates or out in the sticks.

AndrewAZ

Not by much... R C/D .31
ML C/D .34

A C/D of .34 is equal to a Ferrari F40 and the new Z06 vett..

Also note the C/D listed are for base models not the AMG ones, AMG might actually increase C/D to improve high speed stability and handling... For instances most race cars run a higher C/D ranging from .5-over 1 depending on the type of car and race track.

But on a 0-100 race brute force and light weight win..

Dj Euro

thats what the amg site says

Dogshine

please say we aren't doing this again....

benzbuilder

There is no GL63 planned, and I can assure that the R (251) is on its own platform but built side by side the ML (164). Also there is a short wheel base R and its performance is slightly better than the long wheel base. However you'll never buy one in north america as they are all shipped over seas! Also the shorter wheel base looks better. As far as performance drive trains are exactly the same the weight ratio is the factor therefore the M has the edge.

Blue_Monster

Actually the GL 63 is coming out, and sooner than you think.

SoCalCLK

It's January 2007 - Have you taken delivery yet??

CynCarvin32

If you drove one you would change your tune. It drive FAR better than any ML ever could for 2 reasons. First it sits about 3 inches lower and second of all it has a much longer wheelbase and that give the R an amazingly controlled ride.

I know that the R350 that we have for driving around on a daily basis is a fantastic car. It is ugly and I will say that openly but from a driving and passenger's point of view the R class has theML beat in every way.

With Airmatic set to sport the R class actually can be thrown around very quickly. The steering rack is a bit slow but thats what it has in common with the ML...

I must defend the car becasue anytime I throw that car though and interchange or around an on-ramp I say to my self... I am driving a mini-van... and I am smiling? YIKES.

The R63 i bet is the far quicker car around the ring any day. Its just physics.