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Originally Posted by doofwopp
Edit your post as you're barking up the wrong tree.
You whack me with a piece of wood and I'll take it away from you, and you can probably hazard a guess as to where I'll shove it
Merry Christmas and don't EVER run an engine without oil.
You whack me with a piece of wood and I'll take it away from you, and you can probably hazard a guess as to where I'll shove it
Merry Christmas and don't EVER run an engine without oil.
Hah, I deserved that doofwopp. Yes, I cribbed name off the wrong post and the smiley I posted didn't get attached. no big. But I still maintain that 5 seconds of running with no oil will not seize the engine. Several decades of working on motors tells me that. Gotta be something else.
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Originally Posted by E320Star
for pete's sake, it is a fricking 1980 MB. Who cares !!! 
No offense, Merry Christmas
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Dude - you are so screwed! Who the hell told you to start your engine while you were changing the oil and the oil was in the pan? Are you for real? Or is this a joke?
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Originally Posted by doofwopp
Much better car than what you're driving, even with a seized engine. Post 1995 MB= crap. Ask anybody. New Benzes are for the nouveau-riche, not for people who actually care about good design and build quality. New Benzes are garish, tacky, and look like Hyundais, they have poorly engineered electronic subsystems that frequently go haywire, have cheap interiors, and all look like girl's cars what with the overabundance of ellipsoid design elements all about the interior and exterior. Rounded styling is for pussies. You overpaid for a crap car it's that simple, and you probably STILL didn't get any(from your Mama).
No offense, Merry Christmas
No offense, Merry Christmas
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Egutie6970, let me know if you need a new engine or hell, a 1984 Euro 500SEL. Same power, more luxury, bigger sedan. I can sell you mine, though I'm hoping your car is fine. Honestly, this thread has been kinda disorganized, can you clearly explain to me, the purpose of starting the car after the oil has been drained out?
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Originally Posted by doofwopp
Much better car than what you're driving, even with a seized engine. Post 1995 MB= crap. Ask anybody. New Benzes are for the nouveau-riche, not for people who actually care about good design and build quality. New Benzes are garish, tacky, and look like Hyundais, they have poorly engineered electronic subsystems that frequently go haywire, have cheap interiors, and all look like girl's cars what with the overabundance of ellipsoid design elements all about the interior and exterior. Rounded styling is for pussies. You overpaid for a crap car it's that simple, and you probably STILL didn't get any(from your Mama).
No offense, Merry Christmas
No offense, Merry Christmas
I have a few new MB's right now and yes each one has a little something that is not right but the average owner would NEVER notice a thing. MB still makes great cars... and I have a feeling there is no plan to change that policy.
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Originally Posted by doofwopp
Much better car than what you're driving, even with a seized engine. Post 1995 MB= crap. Ask anybody. New Benzes are for the nouveau-riche, not for people who actually care about good design and build quality. New Benzes are garish, tacky, and look like Hyundais, they have poorly engineered electronic subsystems that frequently go haywire, have cheap interiors, and all look like girl's cars what with the overabundance of ellipsoid design elements all about the interior and exterior. Rounded styling is for pussies. You overpaid for a crap car it's that simple, and you probably STILL didn't get any(from your Mama).
No offense, Merry Christmas
No offense, Merry Christmas
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Originally Posted by braverichard
Egutie6970, let me know if you need a new engine or hell, a 1984 Euro 500SEL. Same power, more luxury, bigger sedan. I can sell you mine, though I'm hoping your car is fine. Honestly, this thread has been kinda disorganized, can you clearly explain to me, the purpose of starting the car after the oil has been drained out?
U must be the dumper and he is the dump.
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may my car RIP.... 4 bent valves...streched out timing chain, and broken bearings in the shaft of the engine... 
my mechanic said its really strange since the timing chain never rattly on my car ( i serviced it about 1000 miles ago, and i never heard any rattle i checked my car everytime i refuled gas) he said it was something else then me turning it on without oil for less then 5 secs because it dosent start to suck in oil before that he said it usualy takes anywhere between 5-7 secs for oil pressure to rise... hee basicly said it was something else then me turning it on..and he said its unkown unless we crack open the engine which i told him its fine i rather have my car RIP... well i got a great 200,000 miles out of the engine..
RIP 500 SE 1980
EG
my mechanic said its really strange since the timing chain never rattly on my car ( i serviced it about 1000 miles ago, and i never heard any rattle i checked my car everytime i refuled gas) he said it was something else then me turning it on without oil for less then 5 secs because it dosent start to suck in oil before that he said it usualy takes anywhere between 5-7 secs for oil pressure to rise... hee basicly said it was something else then me turning it on..and he said its unkown unless we crack open the engine which i told him its fine i rather have my car RIP... well i got a great 200,000 miles out of the engine..RIP 500 SE 1980
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M5 or new S class ? i like the M5....sighh i ma miss my car sooo much....who wanted to restore a 500 SE ? email me at egutie34@hotmail.com we will talk about it, at least i know my car will be in good hands.
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Originally Posted by CynCarvin32
I will be the first to say that you have one of the best MB's ever built but it is a shame that such a nice car is in the hands of such a closed minded and conceited owner. Posts like that are a real delight to read. You clearly are bitter about something but in the end who cares. If you want to insult all cars post 1995 feel free. I will agree that quality has slipped in recent years but then again the W124 was not exactly the most complicated vehicle on the market. MB took the risk to design cars that were more advanced and desirable but in return they succeeded in creating a real quality nightmare. I have had a bucket full of post 1995 MB's and most ran perfectly but yes all of them had their "issues". I also had 2 buckets full of pre-1995 MB's and guess what they fell apart too! W140 400SE? Yikes... suspension was never right, the evaporator always leaked and the little doo dads like door closers and reverse bars frequently broke. This does not include the window regulators that failed and the fact that there was a rattle in the dash and under the hood that took 2 years to fix. My 2 1986 W124's were far from perfect and my 1990 R129 went through 3 motors because it sounded like a clattering 1984 300SD at idle (after being driven hard).
I have a few new MB's right now and yes each one has a little something that is not right but the average owner would NEVER notice a thing. MB still makes great cars... and I have a feeling there is no plan to change that policy.
I have a few new MB's right now and yes each one has a little something that is not right but the average owner would NEVER notice a thing. MB still makes great cars... and I have a feeling there is no plan to change that policy.
So it goes, you pussies with the new MBs deserve to be plagued by issues up to and beyond the point of warranty expiration. You're just in it for the implied status, not because you appreciate fine engineering.
Me bitter? Think about how bitter I am next time you have to have your little 320s towed to the dealer for another bull**** MB electronics boondoggle, chumps. You people have no mechanical aptitude and no clue whatsoever. No offense, Merry Christmas
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The parts would have had some lubrication on them. 5 seconds is not long enough to generate the heat required to do any damage.
For those people that said he had siezed his engine, it was blown up etc.
Goes to show how many people on this board have the income to purchase a car yet know nothing about them.
For those people that said he had siezed his engine, it was blown up etc.
Goes to show how many people on this board have the income to purchase a car yet know nothing about them.
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I always knew those five seconds weren't enough to seize the engine. What happened was, it was just a coincidence that the timing belt stretched out and damaged four of his valves while he was doing his oil change.
Hell, I know a guy who drove his Honda Civic with 1.5 quarts of oil for months and the engine is still alive and kicking today!
Hell, I know a guy who drove his Honda Civic with 1.5 quarts of oil for months and the engine is still alive and kicking today!
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Originally Posted by doofwopp
You obviously do not read the Wall Street Journal. There was a nice writeup corraborating my contention about the drastic drop in the quality of MB automobiles about 9 months ago. Like I said, ask anybody. As far as I'm concerned, I got the last of the finest and that's that. My 500 will eat your ****ing lunch. When's the last time an MB chassis was made by Porsche? I thought so. I also have two W123 diesel sedans from '85; superb vehicles, but there are too many snobs on this forum to bother with mentioning them, since it would seem that the new money crowd up in here are only familiar with and therefore only care about what they see on the street out in suburbia, which is Camry, ES300, and '96-up E320. You people lack the depth of thought required to actually think in an analytical manner, for if you could you would not be so quick to **** on people who own the older cars.
So it goes, you pussies with the new MBs deserve to be plagued by issues up to and beyond the point of warranty expiration. You're just in it for the implied status, not because you appreciate fine engineering.
Me bitter? Think about how bitter I am next time you have to have your little 320s towed to the dealer for another bull**** MB electronics boondoggle, chumps. You people have no mechanical aptitude and no clue whatsoever. No offense, Merry Christmas
So it goes, you pussies with the new MBs deserve to be plagued by issues up to and beyond the point of warranty expiration. You're just in it for the implied status, not because you appreciate fine engineering.
Me bitter? Think about how bitter I am next time you have to have your little 320s towed to the dealer for another bull**** MB electronics boondoggle, chumps. You people have no mechanical aptitude and no clue whatsoever. No offense, Merry Christmas
I own NO 320's FYI... My SL55, E55k, E500 (04) and C230k (05) will have to get me by for now... until I take the time to find a mint 1992 500E built by PORSCHE.... unlike your little 1994 which was built by those terrible people who also built my 2004 E500. If you knew a little about the W124 500 you would know that only the 1992's and SOME of 1993's were built by Porsche. I’m sorry to sink your battle ship. I win!
For your info I love old MB's but I get sick of sinking money into cars that are not worth very much and I also kind of enjoy the new crop of cars. The W124 was one of the nicest chassis in MB's past and you have the finest one. 300E Sportline cars may drive better but the M119 motor is night and day a far better lump than the 3 valve motor in the current E500.
PS -- Never knew the E500 made it to this side of the pond for 1995. Is yours one of the few Limited's that were made that year?
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Anyways guys enough fighting, and no i dont have enough money to go just buy another car..if i get a car it will be used although im leaning towards replacing that engine or replacing it with an SL engine...still havent figured it out..... i love this car alot and ima see what i can do.. hey braverichard, whats ur price quotes on a M117 engine-has to be euro and an SL engine as well 1990 hit me up thanks guys
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Send me a message to braverichard@hotmail.com so I can have your e-mail address. Let's discuss what you want to do. The new S-Classes depreciate fast because all cars these days depreciate fast. In fact, the depreciation on the S-Class is one of the best in the industry. Cars aren't like they used to be. Worldwide production of cars is at an all time high, people switch cars these days much like they do underwear, and rebates are all over the marketplace, even amongst the luxury brands such as Mercedes-Benz and BMW, though to a much lesser extent than amongst the cheap, mass market brands. All these factors mean that new cars really can't hold much value as long as they used to.
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Originally Posted by CynCarvin32
... until I take the time to find a mint 1992 500E built by PORSCHE.... unlike your little 1994 which was built by those terrible people who also built my 2004 E500. If you knew a little about the W124 500 you would know that only the 1992's and SOME of 1993's were built by Porsche. I’m sorry to sink your battle ship. I win!
All I know is it walks like a E500/500E and it talks like one too, so it's the same 500E/E500 that they started in 1991, body/chassis designed/built by Porsche with an MB engine. Even if mine wasn't built by Porsche AG, it was built by MB using the same joint venture MB/Porsche design, which suits me as well. I am not railing against Mercedes, just their crap-*** new cars and the dip****s that buy them. Furthermore it's about time somebody stood up to the snobs up in here. It's a display of solidarity with all of the owners of older Mercedes.
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Using kerosene to flush it would take all of the oil out of the engine. Meaning metal on metal contact until the oil pressure comes up. I have not timed my oil pressure but it comes up faster than five seconds.
What matters in life is that we learn from our mistakes. We are all human we all screw up, it is what we learn from them and do about them that matters.
What matters in life is that we learn from our mistakes. We are all human we all screw up, it is what we learn from them and do about them that matters.
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Egutie6970---your situation would have been almost laughable except you're dangerous. Aren't you the same dimbulb who recently bragged about running 140mph in traffic? It should be illegal for you to own a car. Any car.
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Hey,
That really sucks about your engine BUT why dont you fix it yourself?
Get the head off, order some valves and get the head rebuilt....Cost you about 4 days of labor atleast if you get some intelligent help and about 750 bucks with parts if you find the right machine shop...
Oh but then again I guess you would also need a chain tensioner, new guides and a chain so its a bigger project than you may want to get into unless you love the car a lot..
OR put in a $500 engine out of a US version one
Good luck,
Pete
That really sucks about your engine BUT why dont you fix it yourself?
Get the head off, order some valves and get the head rebuilt....Cost you about 4 days of labor atleast if you get some intelligent help and about 750 bucks with parts if you find the right machine shop...
Oh but then again I guess you would also need a chain tensioner, new guides and a chain so its a bigger project than you may want to get into unless you love the car a lot..
OR put in a $500 engine out of a US version one
Good luck,
Pete
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Rule #1 , no US engine going into that engine bay...my mechanic said he can get me a rebuilt engine (euro spec) great condition for $1500...i asked him to see what price he can get me on a 5.6 euro spec and a r129 1990 SL engine for.....soo yup ...right now im driving my hybrid enjoying getting 42 miles to the gallon as longest work goes good then i should be able to afford this if work goes bad im screwed...bah and i have to quit soon since school is gona start again snapsss i soo wanted to get the ball joints done this winter break as welll... blah-but hey i can get the motor mounts done while the car dosent have an engine hehehe.
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as longest work goes good then i should be able to afford this if work goes bad im screwed...bah and i have to quit soon since school is gona start again snapsss i soo wanted to get the ball joints done this winter break as welll... blah-but hey i can get the motor mounts done while the car dosent have an engine hehehe.Enrique G
