BOTUS

thanks, need to see 065 to compare... TUS is a surprise - I suspect I need one that lists TUA

kevm14

What do we think these updates change in the calibration?

While on the subject of updates...is there an update to make the auto wipers actually work properly? My observation this morning in the mist is that it adjusts more to speed than moisture, which seems lame.

BOTUS

if the windscreen is replaced the OCP (over head control panel - DBE) should have the screen sensor calibration performed (and you have two positions on the stalk for screen auto wiper speeds)

gearbox likely done years back - pretty much the first update ever, it was to stop the car smashing in to first and trying to rip the axel out - they waited till it was almost stopped before dropping in to first after the update
engine will be some drive improvements, like cold start fun in odd conditions for some markets, maybe some extra diagnosis info after lots of garages could make sense of simple faults, and or making it get close to the emission figures it was supposed to have

the idea that cars were ever made with software that was ever close to correct is just a joke peddled by fools

mcypert

Botus:

I think I can answer that question.

I don't have the 4159 and 0065 CD's, but I do have the .CDI files. As usual, guessing, but I think these are the outdated DiscJuggler files that tell DAS where to look for the update folders (such as TUS221 and TUA221); hence why we need the CD to update Telematics.

And, guess what? The 0665 and 4159 CDI files do Not refer to the TUA221 folder. But, the 0065 CDI file Does!

This also might answer the question (raised a ways back) on whether the 0065 or 0665 CD is correct for the 221. Looks like 0665 is correct in the USA and 0065 is for EU. And, apparently, DAS will only let you use the correct one based on the VIN. I have a vague recollection about questions on which CD is correct, so that's my best guess...

Again, I'll leave it to you to find the folders need to burn the CD. But, attached are the 4159, 0665 and 0065 files-- they are the text versions of the CDI files, so you can see for yourself. Just open with Notepad or similar. The actual CDI format files can't be recognized for upload.

Regards... Mark

BOTUS

Nice one thanks very much - the first thing I spotted is the 065 disc it has the DAB tuner update files too

So if u have DAB, TV and the small Amp in the boot you don't want 665 anywhere near the car

There is shed loads more on the 065 disc including some TUS Amps
it has the radio tuner and software I have,
it has the TV tuner and software I have,
DAB I seem to have a later unit with later software
and in 2015 there was a further TUA update changing what looks like the traffic info channel to software some 7 years later...
which makes me think there must be an even later CD out there - and maybe why my car tells me there an update

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BOTUS

this sounds like Merc are clueless idiots

you need the 665 disc in USA for the USA iteration of UHI and to update Sirius to the kit you may have
you need the 065 disc in Europe - I guess the TV tuner is a euro spec one which is why its left off the "USA disc" and you don't get DAB which is why that too is left off the "USA disc"
but unless USA never got the small amp they forgot to include these updates on their disc????

mcypert

Interesting...

To refresh everyone, I burned my own 2218270665_0001 CD after trying to order it from the dealer. I don't have the other Telematics CD's, (e.g., 0065). However, I have several SDFlash (programming) collections. The SDFlash do not have the Telematics CD's, but they do have the .CDI files that presumably tell Xentry/DAS how to update Telematics, and tell you, through DAS, which CD # you need.

These CDI files are located in the folder: SDFlash > Release > PKW. These .CDI are single files in PKW.

So, what Botus and I are looking at is: the reprogramming affected by these CDI files, (e.g., TUS221, etc.). That gives some hint of what gets updated when you run these CD's in your car with Xentry-- the only way known to update your Telematics.

Botus,
In post #152, I attached one 4159 CDI for the W221. BUT, I noticed your DAS, in post #145, asked for a CD labeled for the W216... Strange... And, guess what? 2168274159_0001 has different programming instructions, including for TUS and TUA. And, they are for the W221! As you said, these #'s are so similar, it's easy to get confused.

Anyway, attached are two more .CDI files in text format for your perusal. The one for the W216-- the one your DAS requested in post #145-- and another (later) CDI for the W221-- we've never seen that one before???

Confused? I know I am.

But, I think we laid to rest the confusion over the 0065 vs 0665 CD's; they are for EU vs USA respectively... I'll leave it to Botus to figure out where, if at all, 4159 and 0865 fit into this quagmire...

Regards... Mark

BOTUS

Thanks Mark, very helpful / and interesting - those latest two are the real surprise..

it seem you could update elements of the comand / telematics ring using the wrong disc

but the key comand unit fixes and updates sit in the HU221 folder with each unit needing to find its specific unit to get the real updates (see new picture below)
the Tuner, DAB, UHI etc. might find new compatible software in the wrong disc - but the comand must find the right folder and might reject the wrong disc if trying to update all elements rather than one by one. For example the tuner on mine can use either CD ending 0065 or 4150
as for building one correct disc including the later patch vespucci file - I didn't see how to match the starting point of the current folder CR file hash to edit the folder (bottom of the pic shows my comand units update folder of 7060)

mcypert

Thanks Botus... News we can use...

And, thanks to Konigstiger in another thread, I think we can confirm that 0665 is the latest and only Telematics update to use in the USA for the NTG 3.0 (2007-2009 W221 & W216).

Regards... Mark

megacrazy

I’ve been running this update on my USA NTG 3.0 CL for years without issues. I can confirm as well.

BOTUS

Big thanks to BenzNinja SPONSOR





with his help - I'm beginning to understand what Mercedes don't know about their own car's - especially around how to update the car's software correctly

they have mix and match files with old updates or elements missing - and have no idea at all, and the other huge help is BenzNinja sticks with it and gets the job done properly.



CD info below is NTG3.5 last disc for anyone still joining the dots. I'll post more but basically if you have certain comand units in europe you do want disc 0065 but for other you want 4159 (and 4159 does have a later tuner update you wont have if you update with 0065

BenzNinja

iTrader: (4)

my pleasure !
enjoy

BOTUS

check CD info - I updated

https://mbworld.org/forums/s-class-w...ml#post8577870

BOTUS

18 Months back I was rambling about how my AC seemed to get less responsive after an "unrelated" software update went on the car - basically since some updates were put on the car with online xentry dealer kit to Merc approved releases and SCN'd software setup in 2019, a audio bug turned up, my distronic plus got dangerous, and my AC never went as cold as it used too

ACC
my AC had always been pretty pathetic, but even with a new condenser in 2020 and then a year back when we re-gassed the AC again, it remained worse than it had been before many software updates had been put on the car

I thought it was the ACC software update to ACC 221 902 2402 that was the main driver of the reduced AC performance - but I'd swapped out that module ages back, and although I thought going backwards on its software iteration seemed to help, it wasn't a great "fix"

- I'm still chasing my Nav Mute bug with BenzNinja's support - recently we have been working though returning some modules to older software - two have made a positive difference - so I thought I mention the change to this community

OCP (overhead - AKA roof module)
at home flashing this module is a bit of a nightmare and the car goes in a tail spin - going right back to original software Xentry and the Gateway loses the plot and you need to do a battery reset. My OCP 221 870 4186 since 2019 had been on SW 216 442 0323 from 06.26 with 0/5 diagnosis. We first tried a 221 iteration that was a year newer than the car originally had, and was actually for a 221 not a 216, but oddly it lost some diagnosis capability down to 0/2 and didn't make a noticeable different in operation. It was originally on SW 216 442 0123 from 05.45 now its back on that older software (ending 0123 with 0/4). And interestingly the AC works much better and if you set the AC cold, it goes properly cold which it hasn't for many years ?

Cluster
on the instrument cluster we put 2 of the 4 software files back to the original (so all 4 as it had leaving the building) - now the Cruise range graphic display is BACK to the one I remember working the best - But the auto Park behaviour is different - sort of miss the later update - it insisted on putting in P on more occasions - like if stationary and you open the door it puts in P - I'd got used to that and now the car isn't staying still when it has been for 3 years

I think the Hold feature is also worse - but I never use so doesn't matter - in the hand book specifically calls out HOLD doesn't work in Sport - but it did - but I've also seen it occasionally didn't work on the later software iteration - seems if you've used HOLD in C it remains functioning in S for that drive?

The silly force full brightness on the cluster for the speedo still seems to be there and I'd wanted to get back to before - it was the reason they issued the software bodge - but as it doesn't fix the purple screen first 10 mins in winter - its a waste of time

Headlights
tried the update on these - more diagnostic capability - but they need SCN to make them work again - BenzNinja skills to the rescue - the update speeds up the curvetronic response - its now too fast and was better on the original

Nav Mute Bug
Still confused what drives this Nav Mute feature that's broken
somehow I guess linked to an update I had on the car in 2019 - but another guy lost this and never got it fixed when a dealer was doing work on his car in 2016
I guess somehow it must be related to fun around the same AMP but from a later car that had the comand with this menu - see highlighted audio fade option





BUT..... its the same radio module hardware they just ran better software on the NTG3.5 cars and flashing the old correct software for the car never fixed - the feature is still broken

And running the original Tuner (as I tried 4 weeks ago) Nav Mute its still broken - so no idea what Merc broke or how - which is the same issue they have !!!

Upper control panel
as far as I recollect on all these updates there is ONE left that is a later update we've not tried going backwards on
UCP 221 902 1102 is software that went on around the time the Nav Mute feature went AWOL that is still different to versions the car was originally running - but this is JUST the buttons left of the speedo ? BUT then again - writing this up to give you guys the heads up - is this what makes the Cluster brightness stay messed up - so they might have broken that so what else did they wreck????


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kevm14

I find the A/C on both my E55 and S550 to be pretty solid. I am comparing to many prior GM cars.

My guess on the overhead module is that is where the temp sensor (or one of them) is located. Otherwise I can't figure out a connection.

BOTUS

yep - I think its something like that - I was hoping it might have has the phone mic in there too - but again is that hiding in the UCP?

my GM omega's (very similar to USA chevy lumina) had weak C on both

BOTUS

CFF versions in the 221 SAM-H timeline:

4421300 04.2006
4422400 31.10.2007
4422600 20.12.2007
4423300 6.6.2008
9021400 16.01.2009
9021401 6.1.2009
9023903 1.6.2012
9024003 4.6.21012
9024903 03.04.2013

just looked at 221 442 1300 and its the most different iteration out there - so it could be the muppets never knew what they were doing in every iteration after they built the car - makes sense to me, I think the S gets the best engineers on a mega tech fest - then they retire - and the tech docs make refs to user menus the car never had - could well be why the struggled with the early comand updates and made it worse twice (messing vol control up for 6 months) before finally getting it right in the update 03 2008 - but (maybe) only when the rear SAM is left working as intended and not broken by a dodgy update

BOTUS

I have a copy if u want it.... so now I need to go and fit the original R SAM and flash back to original software just to prove Merc have no idea what they are doing.... if it fixes it - it'll be 4 years and 3k of testing trying to do their job right !!!!

mcypert

Thanks Botus... I have everything but the R-SAM 4421300, but that's the SW I'm currently running with no complaints...

Curious, how are you Flashing back to the older software? I have some ideas on how to fool Xentry to do it, but I haven't explored that any further... I don't have Vediamo, and not sure if it will work with my Xentry (C3, I think).

Regards... Mark

BenzNinja

iTrader: (4)

you can not

I can do it for you

KEEP IN MIND THAT YOUR UPDATE ATTEMPTS IS WRITING SOFTWARES TO YOUR CAR THAT YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO REVERSE
IF IT GOES WRONG YOU WILL BE STUCK AND MB CAN NOT HELP YOU AS THEY CAN"T DOWNGRADE
other updates on the car, first you need a database that you don't have, it can go terribly wrong

so think about it


our service is bargain and lifetime. it's a CLUB

BOTUS

I think this is very true - I have the kit but am too stupid to use it properly - But I know a man that can

EasyPhil

It can be done with Vediamo 4 and a C3 multiplexer or J2534 device.

BOTUS

I missed a bit on others going backwards trying to fix a bug - below a list of modules that were updated in 2019 with Merc online dealer tools and SCN'd to the car. Somewhere Merc BROKE it - and I have been returning it back to iterations of software it left the building with when it worked, and or swapped out two modules

So all these are back on original software
KI Cluster (Speedo - linked to most system of the car)
OCP (over head control panel, aka roof light, one of the AC temp sensors, probably phone mic)
UCP (upper control panel, aka buttons by the speedo and speedo brightness rheostat)
HBF (rear control field, aka buttons on rear arm rest)
COU (comand operating unit, aka comand knob)

and these are newer hardware on older than current SCN release software updates - running software from before the last (and major) comand software update
ACC (box of ticks under the glove box)
H SAM (rear sam)

These appear to change
AAC when roof module went back to original software, went back to doing cold (useful this summer)
Radar range display on cluster - leapt back to sensible with earlier R SAM software (ending 2006) and went completely back to way it was originally with the Cluster back to original

And two bugs I want gone are still present
1) speedo jammed on Full brightness during the day - used to be user adjustable day or night - since the cluster update its night only (magically stays moving software back to original ?)
2) Nav instruction or TMC no longer fades audio into the background so you can hear the new info clearly

I can understand NOW maybe the Rear SAM update they had wrong on every later edition but never realised - that would seem most likely for the Nav Fade as they forgot to link up the insanity of trying to make a feature based on ambient noise level, connecting to both the Rear SAM and the OCP
and speedo brightness is just pathetic - they did it to "fix" a hardware fault on early cars that go purple in the cold - well it still goes purple for 10 mins below 3C / 40F, but then irritates forevermore trying to burn your eyes out

ROCKET SCIENTISTS !!!!!!!

mcypert

Ninja... really???

Thanks Botus... I was just curious, as I said. I'm okay with the old software I have. Trans and engine were updated before I got the car. However, I still haven't done the "clock thing." Drove the car tonight and noticed the clock is an hour behind, so I think I'll do that next-- minor annoyance, but I've had the "fix" since it was posted here... just haven't gotten around to it...

Which, I feel, is the whole point of this forum; to share useful info-- and the reason I took the time to start this thread, and explain how to DIY offline programming for those that chose to take it on... I've been told that should be left to the "Pro's", like the ones-- and the dealers-- who can't update Telematics... LOL

Thank EasyPhil... That's useful information, and gives me a new skill to learn!!!

Regards... Mark

BOTUS

get on with it it works
age dependant we found from 2007 to early 2008 some comand modules were forgotten on the list of supported unit the software will write to - I added a euro one and one USA one to the list and a few others found it installed just the same