That's funny considering the time and effort you put into defending Mercedes on GCF.

You went into this deep BS about different types of steel and how the E-Class was safer than the 5-Series, even though the crash tests proved the cars were evenly matched.

Amazing how naive and clueless you were, but now you've seen the light right?

M

 

It's best when you just put the clown on ignore like most of us and let him talk to himself.

 

Yeah its an unbelievable Mercedes. The interior in particular is really the best Mercedes has done so far. The leather wrapped dash will be hell to keep clean in the lighter colors, but man. Like someone said, this is just the S550. Wait until the S63 and S65 models show up. One guy here has a S63 due in next week.

M

 

Actually 5 Series is safer.

 

I wonder what changed in the last 2 years with the different types steel that Mercedes uses to make the E-Class safer and a more rigid chassis (per you)?

Seems like someone didn't know what they were talking about (again).

M

 

Que? Yeah, it's amazing how enlightened you become when you wake up from Mercedes' marketing babble and experience things for yourself (I believe we call that "learning", something that extends passed press reports and what you hear on forums.... hint). I'm winking right now.

F10 has 37,500 nm's of torsional rigidity, same as the 7. Even the W222 is barely more rigid than them (next 7 should easily step ahead especially with such an innovative construction of CF use), with the 6 Series still being more rigid than even the W222.

 

So you admit you were clueless before? I never participated in that argument.

Typical naivety and clueless talk. Now you see a higher number and automatically you run with it, just like you did with the E-Class, only to not know what you were talking about.

When you can explain what the numbers mean and what the problem is with the S not being as rigid as the 6-Series let me know.

So where is the S-Class deficient at? Enlighten us with the engineering explanations and how they translate to real world driving experience.

M

 

No, I have a 5, and had an E. The F10 feels like a tank, and the numbers back it up. Torsional rigidity is something you can tangibly feel throughout a car when putting it through the stresses of every day driving. Very often, a higher rigidity car will rattle less, grip the road easier (less chassis flex) and overall hold up better through time.

You need to get out and experience cars for yourself, and quit living in such a bubble. Things aren't always what they seem. "Adapting". Remember that word, it's important.

 

Gee really? Get outta here.

NO you mentioned the W222, where is the S lacking at because of those numbers was the question. I'm not talking about the E vs the 5-Series, I know the 5-Series is more rigid as is the 6-Series. Answer the question and quit bs'ning by changing the subject.

Living in a bubble? This from a person who created a whole thread to talk about the supposedly superior steel Mercedes used to make their cars better? Talk about a bubble.

M

 

Me talking about Mercedes steels when Mercedes claimed that they used some innovative construction on the car is the same as you talking about everything else Mercedes today, so pot, meet kettle.

Good thing I learned better.

How does the lack of torsional rigidity affect how a car drives? Well, it makes it fundamentally less solid, for one.

 

Wrong. Nope, because you had no clue about what you're talking about.

I presented facts.

A E-Class DOES NOT contain 40% Chinese parts. Fact.

Where a car is built does not dictate how it drives. Fact.

You can't explain where the W222 is lacking can you?

Face it, you're a simpleton that reads something and runs with it because you don't know any better.

2 years ago you argued with everyone on GCF how the E-Class was built and how the steel used was superior only to have to be proven wrong.

Now it is Mercedes' fault because you're clueless?

M

 

Funny how not one of those things is "fact". Mindless ramblings of a fanboy, yes. "Fact": No.

Yes, where a car is built means nothing. As long as it's sprinkled with Mercedes fairy dust then it's perfect. If it has a Star on the hood, it can be made in an underground cave in Afghanistan using parts sourced from the North Pole, it won't affect a thing.

Yes, I found out for myself that I was wrong. The E Class is built pretty lousily if my two mean anything. Again, if you learn from my own experiences, it would help you evolve into accepting new realizations as well.

 

Shouldn't we move this flirt fest into a chatroom or something?

 

I showed you a window sticker from a E-Class. It didn't show 40% Chinese parts. FACT.

If you think that because a car is built in the U.S. it will drive like an American car, then again, I ask what about the C-Class cars built in the other 5 plants around the world?

What do hey drive like? The ones from South Africa and Malaysia? How do they drive?


The problem with this is that you had the car and though it was built oh so good, but then you read up on it and found out that it isn't? Think about that for a second? That spells naive. Now who's to say that you won't think the same thing about BMW 2 years from now once you get a Porsche?

M

 

You never found a sticker of the E Class I was referencing. 2010/2011. No fact.

An American built car with predominantly American parts is Americanized, by definition. Fact.

Yes, I trusted that all the press reviews, and Mercedes marketing, and statements of a "return to solidity" with the W212 were right. And considering I was in my 20's, it was my first brand new car (my first 2 brand new cars, actually), and even though I really liked my W211 better in so many ways, it was the best car I'd owned.

Then after the honeymoon, rattles started to pop up, it was hard to ignore the harshness, the terrible handling, etc. I always forgave the terrible handling because the ride was so "solid and smooth". Turns out, after you put on a few miles, it ain't so solid, it's actually quite jarring (I started a thread at the time which turned into the largest thread on the E boards, tons of drivers complaining about harshness) yet it still handles like a boat on water. Talk about lousy chassis dynamics.

Then I learned more, experienced more, and here we are.

I truly hope that my experience with Porsche is so good that my BMW will feel like a clunker in comparison.

To be honest, I still love my 5 but again, as I experience more cars (I've driven tons of different types of cars in my time with it to get a more well rounded viewpoint), I start to find areas that I find it lacking a bit. One is sporty/sharp dynamics, yet at the same time, I don't want to sacrifice an ounce of its awesome comfort. After driving Porsche's PDK, all of a sudden that ZF8 that I've raved about, while an amazing auto, feels like a slushbox to me, I find myself craving a snappier double-clutch. I find the 5 as uncomfortable for my proportions to sit in as most other cars on the market.

Why do you think I'm going to Porsche? It's because I drove the car I'm going to get, and it was the best thing I've driven to date. It completely answered my demands and desires. I can actually sit upright in it, the ride is probably even more quiet and refined/comfortable than my 5, and it's way more sharp, handling is amazing especially for a car of its nature, feels WAY sportier than my 5, and the PDK is incredible. Getting back into my 5 felt.... guess what? Kind of "clunker"-y.

Am I gonna p!ss on the 5 or BMW? No, because I think the 5 is a great car that does what it's supposed to, extremely well. The E Class I soured on to the point where I traded BOTH in early. The 5, I'm keeping until lease maturity, the first time I've ever done that.

Again, stop seeing things in such extremes. This ain't attorney-practice, the world doesn't stand still. Mercedes isn't the same company that built the W126, for worse or better. I have resentment toward a car if I consider it lousy for what it should be, plain and simple. I've had or driven plenty of cars that I've grown to find others much more capable than, yet I appreciate them for what they are. Again, things are more dynamic than this oddly blunt way you appear to see them.

 

Part content doesn't swing that wildly from one model year to the next. FACT. Think for a second. 40% Chinese parts in a German made car in a German plant? That is INSANE and was never true. You got confused about a component or something that had a separate sticker, not the window sticker. No Benz has 40% Chinese parts in it. Hell I doubt the Benzes built in China have 40% Chinese parts!!!

WRONG. That is just your opinion and the majority of parts in the C-Class are not American and even if they were it doesn't dictate how the car drives.

How a car drives is based on how it is engineering and the specs laid down from the factory for the engine, transmission, suspension, not because it used American parts for the dashboard or seats. If you can't get this then you're just hopelessly lost.
You mean like you trusts BMW's now? Newsflash: They aren't the ultimate driving machine anymore. Lexus, Cadillac and Audi have beaten them left in right in various tests and classes, yet BMW still claims this. See how marketing works? Only the naive (you) would actually take what a car company says as gospel.


No issue with that if that was your experience.


No issue here, thanks for the level-headed reply on the matter.

Ditto.

Nope I'm not just calling you out on your BS.

M

 

-Firstly: I never said the E used "40% Chinese parts". I said, specifically: There was a sticker on my E Classes that was SEPARATE from the window sticker (it appears that M-B put parts-content stickers on their cars on 2012+ cars, interestingly coinciding with a higher German content on the E Class than I remembered seeing). It's too bad that I didn't take a picture of it, I was meaning to, to post on the boards, but wasn't really thrilled on talking down my brand new car. I said that the sticker stated a 50-55% German content, and then a high American/Canadian content, and then a Chinese and/or Mexican parts content as well. If I remember correctly, the Chinese and/or Mexican content was higher than the American content.

This signified that the E used less German parts than the 5 Series at the dealer next door, and used more of the "cheapest stuff" being Chinese and/or Mexican, and less of the medium stuff, i.e American/Canadian. The 5 Series had a 70% German content, second highest being the medium stuff (American/Canadian) and then the "cheap stuff", whatever it was, was very low.

Mind you, I noticed this AND posted it on these boards when I had my 2010 (first) W212 and took it in for its first service. It wasn't a happy "aha M-B sucks" moment. I was genuinely bummed to see that the F10 that everyone seemed to be raving about, had a higher quality parts content than my E Class. At the time, I was well within the honeymoon of my E, so believe me, I wasn't looking to look down on it.

All I can say is that I saw what I saw, and I remember the reaction I had (not happy at the time). Maybe it was wrong, maybe something got confused, I don't know.

-Let me explain how production works: The company (M-B) lays out the specs, tolerances, etc. It is now up to the ASSEMBLY LINE to live up to those expectations. Have you seen how crappy Maserati trim looks? You think that they design them to be misaligned from Italy (though it's also built in Italy)? No, it's likely a manufacturing issue. Where a part is sourced from DOES matter in its material and tangible quality (and lasting quality). Why do you think that "Made in China" carries such a negative connotation. It's actually not because of assembly, as Chinese have some of the most advanced assembly in the world (not in auto's as far as I know, but tech gadgets, etc. they get it done at a pace and quality that many others can't keep up with), it's because of product quality itself. The W205 IS using more American/Canadian parts than German parts. Only 40% German parts. That's cost cutting, plain and simple. Cheaper parts generally aren't up to the same standard. German parts for a German manufacturer are more expensive for a reason.

Why do you assume that I trust BMW now like some lemming? I've written textbooks about what I like and dislike about my BMW and various other BMW's. Down to finest details. I just wrote exactly why I'm moving on from BMW. You don't need to tell me how closely they keep to their "Ultimate Driving Machine" moniker. However, fact remains, they're still largely sportier than Mercedes', and arguably draw the closest parallel between luxury and sport in the auto market.

 

I saw one in white while visiting the dealership yesterday and it looked very nice in my opinion

 

My S63 coupe is on a truck heading to Dallas. I think it's a beautiful car and don't care if few people don't like the looks. Can't wait to see it!!!!!

 

Nice! What specs did you end up getting it in?

 

2015 S63 coupe

Obsidian Black with Exclusive Black Nappa leather

Burmester 3D High End Audio
Red painted calipers
20 inch multi spoke forged wheels - silver
Warmth and comfort package
Driver assistance package
Refrigerator in rear console
AMG Performance Steering wheel
Night view assist plus

Also I am getting:

escort radar install,
5% tint,
renntech full tune - 701hp
Xpel ultimate paint protection film.

 

All sounds good, especially the Renntech tune. I have yet to see the new S coupe in black though. Have you considered a darker finish wheel to make the red calipers pop and to contrast the black color of the car? Something like Double Dark Tint, not black, but dark.

 

Everyone has a right to their own opinion so I won't go there, search and ye shall find but I think that Mercedes has done an exceptional job with this car and their continued excellence of the entire line up.

 

So in other words you don't know what you're talking about and now you're back pedaling now. You argued for weeks that the E-Class has 40% Chinese parts and you know it. Now you claim you don't remember. Typical save face tactic.



Blah, blah, blah, blah. You don't even know what it was now. Figures. Again, your argument has been proven ridiculous and lacking.


You're stuck on things that don't even matter because despite the parts content, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE PARTS WHERE OR HOW AND IF THEY MADE A DIFFERENCES AND WHERE THEY MADE THE DIFFERENCES!!!

Don't you see how silly this is? You have no clue as to what the parts are or where they were in the E-Class or which parts where Chinese, American or Mexican. Now you don't even know or can't remember the percentage of what parts came from where. You're all washed up.


Clearly. Something didn't get confused, you did.

NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH HOW THE CAR DRIVES. THIS IS HOW THE CAR IS BUILT AND UNLESS YOU HAVE THE BREAKOUT OF WHAT PARTS CAME FROM WHERE YOU'RE JUST GUESSING!!!! Don't you get that?

You don't even know what the parts are!!!!!!!!

Build and assembly quality is different from how a car drives. What about this is so hard for you to understand? Suspension settings, steering, brakes are tuned, not just slapped together, to determine how a car drives. You know this and that is why you can't/won't answer the question about how the other C-Classes assembled in other countries drive! You're as quiet as a wooden owl on that subject. Tell me how does a South African C-Class drive?

Let me be perfectly clear here, I'm talking about how the car drives, not how it is built. I'm sure the American assembly line will make more errors than the German one.

You stated that the C drives American because it is built here and that is bull**** because parts and where they're assembled don't determine how a car drives, only how it is built/constructed.

See you're full of it, you just gave them a pass. You know full well they don't define the ultimate driving machine in their respective classes anymore, yet you say they're sportier than Mercedes. NEWSFLASH: THEY HAVE BEEN SPORTIER THAN MERCEDES FOR THE LAST 60 YEARS!!!!!! THAT IS NOT AN ACCOMPLISHMENT WHEN LEXUS, AUDI AND EVEN CADILLAC ARE HANDING BMW THEIR **** IN HANDLING AND DYNAMICS.

M

 

OMG, dude. Stop trying to convince yourself.