Question...If have you driven the Tesla model S vs S550, why did you choose the S550?
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This is very true. $7,500 tax subsidy and if you register the Tesla in NJ, no sales tax on the Tesla. Take away those subsidies and you'll see Tesla's sales drop like an anchor.
Soon those Tesla's Super Charger Stations will become Tesla parking lots. Waiting hours in line for a charge. Sort of like the gas lines during the oil shortage in the '70's.
Soon those Tesla's Super Charger Stations will become Tesla parking lots. Waiting hours in line for a charge. Sort of like the gas lines during the oil shortage in the '70's.
You two Tesla Fan boys are like those crotch rocket teenagers telling me how much faster their bikes are compared to my top of the line Harley. If I can afford a $40K plus Harley I can easily afford a $12K crotch rocket many times over.
Same with your $40K Tesla selling for $120K plus. All I hear is how fast your over priced golf car can get you from 0-60 mph. A used $5K crotch rocket will blow your doors off in a 0-60 mph match up. Why are you two clowns even here? Is Tesla paying fan boys now? Do you pi$$ in the BMW, Porsche, Jaguar, Rolls & Bentley forums as well?
We get it, you like your low rent interior, heavily subsidized Teslas.
My former 2009 E320 Bluetec would kill your Teslas in a race from Florida to NYC (1,300 miles) by hours up I-95, where to make it fair, you have all those Super Chargers. That's if no one is taking all the super charger spots when you arrive.
The E320 Bluetec has over a 700 mile range, I can push it over 800 miles).
Disclaimer: I actually ride my motorcycle far more than my S550. I've had my S550 for a yr now and have just under 7K miles on the clock. My Harley is 3 months old and I have 6K miles on it already. So actually a Tesla would make me a better grocery shopping car than my S550.
Too bad though, luxury was on top of my short list.
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The Model S sales may be going up, but the S Class sales have in no way been going down. Last time I checked, chauffeur companies in locations such as London weren't replacing their S Class' with Model S'. You do see a small amount of companies choosing the Model S as one of their multiple vehicles, as well as the A8 and the 7 Series, but most of the time it is the S Class'. Go to Central London, Germany, or any country outside of America. You keep saying the Model S is the best selling sedan in the US, but what about the other 30 odd countries selling both the Model S and the S Class? The majority of Teslas sales came from America, whereas the majority of S Class' sales came from outside of the US.
Also, I don't suppose an Admin can end this thread? Literally the same thing is being repeated. The two tesla owners, Web and drsaab, and us s class owners bought our vehicles for different reasons.
S Class - Luxury Sedan
Model S - Performance sedan
Also, I don't suppose an Admin can end this thread? Literally the same thing is being repeated. The two tesla owners, Web and drsaab, and us s class owners bought our vehicles for different reasons.
S Class - Luxury Sedan
Model S - Performance sedan
You are welcome to stop taking part in the discussion any time you want to.If I were to be chauffeured someplace I'd certainly prefer to be chauffeured in an S Class than a Model S, as I won't be doing the driving in that case
No one said S Class sales are tanking. I just said in the US, Model S sales are exceeding S Class sales in the category of a premium 4 door sedan that can seat 5 adults and costing around $100K. It's important to note as these people could have presumably bought an S Class instead. Just pointing this out to make the point that obviously a large segment of customers in this segment see something of value in the Model S that is not met by any other competing product. They are both find vehicles and no choice is a wrong choice as I've said many times.
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This is what I posted some time ago above.
You two Tesla Fan boys are like those crotch rocket teenagers telling me how much faster their bikes are compared to my top of the line Harley. If I can afford a $40K plus Harley I can easily afford a $12K crotch rocket many times over.
Same with your $40K Tesla selling for $120K plus. All I hear is how fast your over priced golf car can get you from 0-60 mph. A used $5K crotch rocket will blow your doors off in a 0-60 mph match up. Why are you two clowns even here? Is Tesla paying fan boys now? Do you pi$$ in the BMW, Porsche, Jaguar, Rolls & Bentley forums as well?
We get it, you like your low rent interior, heavily subsidized Teslas.
My former 2009 E320 Bluetec would kill your Teslas in a race from Florida to NYC (1,300 miles) by hours up I-95, where to make it fair, you have all those Super Chargers. That's if no one is taking all the super charger spots when you arrive.
The E320 Bluetec has over a 700 mile range, I can push it over 800 miles).
Disclaimer: I actually ride my motorcycle far more than my S550. I've had my S550 for a yr now and have just under 7K miles on the clock. My Harley is 3 months old and I have 6K miles on it already. So actually a Tesla would make me a better grocery shopping car than my S550.
Too bad though, luxury was on top of my short list.
You two Tesla Fan boys are like those crotch rocket teenagers telling me how much faster their bikes are compared to my top of the line Harley. If I can afford a $40K plus Harley I can easily afford a $12K crotch rocket many times over.
Same with your $40K Tesla selling for $120K plus. All I hear is how fast your over priced golf car can get you from 0-60 mph. A used $5K crotch rocket will blow your doors off in a 0-60 mph match up. Why are you two clowns even here? Is Tesla paying fan boys now? Do you pi$$ in the BMW, Porsche, Jaguar, Rolls & Bentley forums as well?
We get it, you like your low rent interior, heavily subsidized Teslas.
My former 2009 E320 Bluetec would kill your Teslas in a race from Florida to NYC (1,300 miles) by hours up I-95, where to make it fair, you have all those Super Chargers. That's if no one is taking all the super charger spots when you arrive.
The E320 Bluetec has over a 700 mile range, I can push it over 800 miles).
Disclaimer: I actually ride my motorcycle far more than my S550. I've had my S550 for a yr now and have just under 7K miles on the clock. My Harley is 3 months old and I have 6K miles on it already. So actually a Tesla would make me a better grocery shopping car than my S550.
Too bad though, luxury was on top of my short list.
We had just discussed a number of other factors besides the edge in performance so you might want to go back and read what was discussed.
Enjoy your E320. Must be incredible with that 800 mile range as you can drive all that distance nonstop...
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That's great that you are fascinated by crotch rockets. They seem to fit your personality quite nicely. The level of civility in your discourse and the crass language you used seems to suggest that it might not be possible to engage in a civilized discussion based on how emotional you are being. That's rich for a guy who rides a Harley to call someone else a clown
We had just discussed a number of other factors besides the edge in performance so you might want to go back and read what was discussed.
Enjoy your E320. Must be incredible with that 800 mile range as you can drive all that distance nonstop...
We had just discussed a number of other factors besides the edge in performance so you might want to go back and read what was discussed.
Enjoy your E320. Must be incredible with that 800 mile range as you can drive all that distance nonstop...
Tip to traveling over 600 miles non stop, salted peanuts.
As your reading comprehension has failed you in your haste to appear you're taking the higher road here, you missed it was my "former" E320 Bluetec.
My personality is one of someone that's fed up with Bull *****ting fan boys.
Why don't you two clowns go start a Tesla Fan Boy page elsewhere, maybe you can impress some pimple face teen waiting on his learners permit.
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I've read every word on this thread. Lately your 0-60 mph fetish over rides the technological advances. We don't need fan boys telling us what Tesla is about. As an investor I do my own company researches.
Tip to traveling over 600 miles non stop, salted peanuts.
As your reading comprehension has failed you in your haste to appear you're taking the higher road here, you missed it was my "former" E320 Bluetec.
My personality is one of someone that's fed up with Bull *****ting fan boys.
Why don't you two clowns go start a Tesla Fan Boy page elsewhere, maybe you can impress some pimple face teen waiting on his learners permit.
Tip to traveling over 600 miles non stop, salted peanuts.
As your reading comprehension has failed you in your haste to appear you're taking the higher road here, you missed it was my "former" E320 Bluetec.
My personality is one of someone that's fed up with Bull *****ting fan boys.
Why don't you two clowns go start a Tesla Fan Boy page elsewhere, maybe you can impress some pimple face teen waiting on his learners permit.
It's rich for you to talk about fanboys as you seem so much of a Mercedes fanboy that you are emotionally unable to handle some other forum members discuss Tesla and Mercedes on a forum thread specifically devoted to that topic. Not everything in the world is about you so get over yourself. If a forum topic does not interest you, don't read it.
Harley is having a really hard time financially according to a recent WSJ article and that means there are fewer obnoxious people like you around and that's a good thing. The recent South Park Episode of Harley reminds me of you. You should watch it.
Since you are incapable of engaging in intelligent discourse without getting all emotional with a tirade of insults, you are going on my ignore list so I will not be responding to any more of your nonsense. Since intelligent discourse is beyond your grasp, go ride your little Harley someplace and make some obnoxious noise so you feel better about yourself.
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Since you are incapable of engaging in intelligent discourse without getting all emotional with a tirade of insults, you are going on my ignore list so I will not be responding to any more of your nonsense. Since intelligent discourse is beyond your grasp, go ride your little Harley someplace and make some obnoxious noise so you feel better about yourself.
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It's odd to hear people calling for the tread to be ended are those who are actively taking part in the discussion You are welcome to stop taking part in the discussion any time you want to.
If I were to be chauffeured someplace I'd certainly prefer to be chauffeured in an S Class than a Model S, as I won't be doing the driving in that case No one said S Class sales are tanking. I just said in the US, Model S sales are exceeding S Class sales in the category of a premium 4 door sedan that can seat 5 adults and costing around $100K. It's important to note as these people could have presumably bought an S Class instead. Just pointing this out to make the point that obviously a large segment of customers in this segment see something of value in the Model S that is not met by any other competing product.
They are both find vehicles and no choice is a wrong choice as I've said many times.
You are welcome to stop taking part in the discussion any time you want to.If I were to be chauffeured someplace I'd certainly prefer to be chauffeured in an S Class than a Model S, as I won't be doing the driving in that case
No one said S Class sales are tanking. I just said in the US, Model S sales are exceeding S Class sales in the category of a premium 4 door sedan that can seat 5 adults and costing around $100K. It's important to note as these people could have presumably bought an S Class instead. Just pointing this out to make the point that obviously a large segment of customers in this segment see something of value in the Model S that is not met by any other competing product. They are both find vehicles and no choice is a wrong choice as I've said many times.
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My kids do the same. When they get caught in a situation they can't overcome they try to just ignore everything.
I was a little disappointed in that I wrote about 10 different points and was told I would get a point by point refute.
In the end that point by point refute was "An iPad charging is negligible in affecting the range of a Tesla."
Yes that makes the other 10 points moot.
I was a little disappointed in that I wrote about 10 different points and was told I would get a point by point refute.
In the end that point by point refute was "An iPad charging is negligible in affecting the range of a Tesla."
Yes that makes the other 10 points moot.
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Those who are getting "agitated" I assume are not children. They should perhaps not take part in an open forum if they can't handle opinions and views that might be different to theirs. I am still a Mercedes enthusiast and also a Tesla enthusiast and I'm happy to engage in discussion with those who like to engage in civilized discourse about both cars and the future of car technology. I just don't have time for crass dimwits.
For all those who are complaining about this discussion, have they considered not taking part in the discussion if the discussion does not interest them? It's seems quite strange to complain about the topic being discussed and still actively take part in the discussion...
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The OP established this thread for a purpose and that is to discuss the choice of a Model S from the perspective of a Mercedes customer or someone who compared both cars and picked one. It's seems a perfectly valid and relevant topic of discussion.
Those who are getting "agitated" I assume are not children. They should perhaps not take part in an open forum if they can't handle opinions and views that might be different to theirs. I am still a Mercedes enthusiast and also a Tesla enthusiast and I'm happy to engage in discussion with those who like to engage in civilized discourse about both cars and the future of car technology. I just don't have time for crass dimwits.
For all those who are complaining about this discussion, have they considered not taking part in the discussion if the discussion does not interest them? It's seems quite strange to complain about the topic being discussed and still actively take part in the discussion...
Those who are getting "agitated" I assume are not children. They should perhaps not take part in an open forum if they can't handle opinions and views that might be different to theirs. I am still a Mercedes enthusiast and also a Tesla enthusiast and I'm happy to engage in discussion with those who like to engage in civilized discourse about both cars and the future of car technology. I just don't have time for crass dimwits.
For all those who are complaining about this discussion, have they considered not taking part in the discussion if the discussion does not interest them? It's seems quite strange to complain about the topic being discussed and still actively take part in the discussion...
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Arguably the Best people to comment on the original post would be people who have actually driven both vehicles and especially people that own both vehicles.
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This pretty much sums up the rational perspective. Those few that can not accept that will continue to demand everyone else change their preferences in cars to match theirs.
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I have always struggled to see the value in posts like these as people's requirements for a car are so different. That's why there is 1000's of models.
For example my wife loves the tesla. She says she feels vulnerable filling up at gas stations and loves to come home and just "plug it in". For me, I can't stand the thought of not being able to go to a gas station. I don't want to think about how miles I have left. Each of us could go on for hours why our car is better but the reality is it's only better to us.
If you choose to buy an S or a tesla feel great knowing you are more then likely in the top 10% of household income and enjoy your car that makes up less than 1% of all vehicles.
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Yes, I demand that you accept that the 1971 ford pinto was the best car ever made and no benz will come close to ever matching its legendary awesomeness.
I have always struggled to see the value in posts like these as people's requirements for a car are so different. That's why there is 1000's of models.
For example my wife loves the tesla. She says she feels vulnerable filling up at gas stations and loves to come home and just "plug it in". For me, I can't stand the thought of not being able to go to a gas station. I don't want to think about how miles I have left. Each of us could go on for hours why our car is better but the reality is it's only better to us.
If you choose to buy an S or a tesla feel great knowing you are more then likely in the top 10% of household income and enjoy your car that makes up less than 1% of all vehicles.
I have always struggled to see the value in posts like these as people's requirements for a car are so different. That's why there is 1000's of models.
For example my wife loves the tesla. She says she feels vulnerable filling up at gas stations and loves to come home and just "plug it in". For me, I can't stand the thought of not being able to go to a gas station. I don't want to think about how miles I have left. Each of us could go on for hours why our car is better but the reality is it's only better to us.
If you choose to buy an S or a tesla feel great knowing you are more then likely in the top 10% of household income and enjoy your car that makes up less than 1% of all vehicles.
You are correct that neither of those things are arguable, but what is arguable are other things. To put it better is to discuss the reality of things regarding the car. The Tesla supporters come on and say you get supercar performance and 300 miles of range. The reality is you get supercar 0-60 performance with around 150-180 miles of real world driving range. Another thing you read is you get a modern luxury interior. The reality is when you compare it you get the interior of what you see in $50,000 cars. That is not to say it is horrible, but not what one expects in a $100,000 car. There are cars that are $50,000 whose interior I like, but if I spend $100K I expect a $100K package in all aspects.
I have yet to see one instance where someone told another what the better car for the other party was. I have seen however people come and correct erroneous information and point out factual data so that if one reads the thread they have an educated decision they can make.
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You are correct that neither of those things are arguable, but what is arguable are other things. To put it better is to discuss the reality of things regarding the car. The Tesla supporters come on and say you get supercar performance and 300 miles of range. The reality is you get supercar 0-60 performance with around 150-180 miles of real world driving range. Another thing you read is you get a modern luxury interior. The reality is when you compare it you get the interior of what you see in $50,000 cars. That is not to say it is horrible, but not what one expects in a $100,000 car. There are cars that are $50,000 whose interior I like, but if I spend $100K I expect a $100K package in all aspects.
I have yet to see one instance where someone told another what the better car for the other party was. I have seen however people come and correct erroneous information and point out factual data so that if one reads the thread they have an educated decision they can make.
I have yet to see one instance where someone told another what the better car for the other party was. I have seen however people come and correct erroneous information and point out factual data so that if one reads the thread they have an educated decision they can make.
As for the interior, even I readily agree that the S Class interior is better. Having said that I know of no other car at $50,000 or any other price for that matter that has a modern all glass cockpit and instrumentation that is ridiculously easy and intuitive to use in the Model S. No one has yet to duplicate the Model S interface to a point where they can change every aspect of the car with just a software update.
The technology in the user interface is part of the Model S interior that makes it preferable to someone like me who enjoys technology. That combined with the "Premium Interior" option Tesla offers provides me a reasonable balance of modern luxury and comfort with the Next Gen Seats to a point where the "less nice" interior of the Model S is not an impediment to ownership.
As has been said so many times, there is no wrong choice between these two cars and it is a choice based on individual preferences and priorities. The ideal car for me remains an S Class interior with a Tesla drivetrain and technology/software
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Your second paragraph summed up nicely most of the discussions that have taken place on this thread. There have been a few instances of FUD that I felt I had to dispel from the perspective of someone who owns a Model S. The good thing about a public forum is the opportunity to peer review whatever we share and that is a good thing as it makes the information shared more accurate.
As for the interior, even I readily agree that the S Class interior is better. Having said that I know of no other car at $50,000 or any other price for that matter that has a modern all glass cockpit and instrumentation that is ridiculously easy and intuitive to use in the Model S. No one has yet to duplicate the Model S interface to a point where they can change every aspect of the car with just a software update.
The technology in the user interface is part of the Model S interior that makes it preferable to someone like me who enjoys technology. That combined with the "Premium Interior" option Tesla offers provides me a reasonable balance of modern luxury and comfort with the Next Gen Seats to a point where the "less nice" interior of the Model S is not an impediment to ownership.
As has been said so many times, there is no wrong choice between these two cars and it is a choice based on individual preferences and priorities. The ideal car for me remains an S Class interior with a Tesla drivetrain and technology/software
As for the interior, even I readily agree that the S Class interior is better. Having said that I know of no other car at $50,000 or any other price for that matter that has a modern all glass cockpit and instrumentation that is ridiculously easy and intuitive to use in the Model S. No one has yet to duplicate the Model S interface to a point where they can change every aspect of the car with just a software update.
The technology in the user interface is part of the Model S interior that makes it preferable to someone like me who enjoys technology. That combined with the "Premium Interior" option Tesla offers provides me a reasonable balance of modern luxury and comfort with the Next Gen Seats to a point where the "less nice" interior of the Model S is not an impediment to ownership.
As has been said so many times, there is no wrong choice between these two cars and it is a choice based on individual preferences and priorities. The ideal car for me remains an S Class interior with a Tesla drivetrain and technology/software
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Personally I don't think you can just look at the all glass cockpit and instrumentation. You need to look at it as a whole. For example there are $30,000 cars with cooled seats. A $100,000 car without them is unacceptable. A SC GPS system which, in the words of most on the Tesla board, is not useable. 3G connection is also unacceptable. Finally fit and finish is on par with $50,000 cars or less. Slapping some glass and a 17" display is not technology. Refinement and evolvement of what is available is. You continue to drink the Kool Aid and make excuses for what Tesla has released. For example the range excuse of "well it is 300 miles in the right condition.' None of this does not mean that it isn't the right car for you, but it is years behind the S in so many aspects. If the S Class had unacceptable 0-60 performance times then one could easily say that the S is years behind in performance, but that isn't the case. In fact the E, C, etc. all have acceptable levels of 0-60 performance for their price points. The Tesla has an unacceptable interior for that price point and an unacceptable range for that price point in real world driving conditions. The fact that so many people settle for that is irrelevant. There are many people in the world that settle for many things. Most here on this board have the means that they don't have to settle.
The glass cockpit makes the Model S interior. There are glass screens, for the instrument cluster and the center console and they are both what defines the Model S interior and user interface. After getting used to ho intuitive and effortless it is to use I find it awkward to switch to Mercedes' Command, especially the navigation interface, whenever I drive my girlfriend's car.
Not sure what you are talking about with fit and finish. Some of the their earlier cars had some issues but our car is rock solid. About the only thing we are going to take the car in for service is going to be to upgrade the car to Ludicrous Mode in about a month.
BTW Model S has been shipping with 4G for a while now and they actually cover the cost of 4G for the first 4 years so the car actually has a pretty decent Internet connection that works well for streaming media at a high bitrate.
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So we've had a lot of discussions lately about the interior and I wanted to see what you all thought about the interior of the Fisker Karma, that was more or less created during the same era, and with a tech heavy approach to a modern car interior. Would you have thought the Model S interior would have been better if it looked more like the interior of the Fisker Karma?
Of course I still think the S class interior is so much more refined and luxurious but I'm curious to hear thoughts about it. The one thing to note here is that Fisker as a company tended to be design heavy and was all about the look of things and they ultimately collapsed under their own weight as they didn't have the engineering to back up the design.
Tesla has been careful to grow from it's strength in engineering, safety, and performance first and then get into focusing on the interior niceties. It's only recently that they began offering even a heated steering wheel. When the Model X comes out in a few months it will be interesting to see how better it is to the Model S as Tesla now has far more resources than when they designed the Model S...
Of course I still think the S class interior is so much more refined and luxurious but I'm curious to hear thoughts about it. The one thing to note here is that Fisker as a company tended to be design heavy and was all about the look of things and they ultimately collapsed under their own weight as they didn't have the engineering to back up the design.
Tesla has been careful to grow from it's strength in engineering, safety, and performance first and then get into focusing on the interior niceties. It's only recently that they began offering even a heated steering wheel. When the Model X comes out in a few months it will be interesting to see how better it is to the Model S as Tesla now has far more resources than when they designed the Model S...
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Tessa's are nice, but they charge a Mercedes price for Chevy level appointments and refinement. I drove through a small rural town the other day and had lunch at a diner. Waitress told me that the other guy there was staying the night in the motel to charge his " 'lektrik veehikle". I guess that Teslas take a huge amount of time to charge from a regular 120v line. Hopefully new battery technology will improve things for Tesla.
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Tessa's are nice, but they charge a Mercedes price for Chevy level appointments and refinement. I drove through a small rural town the other day and had lunch at a diner. Waitress told me that the other guy there was staying the night in the motel to charge his " 'lektrik veehikle". I guess that Teslas take a huge amount of time to charge from a regular 120v line. Hopefully new battery technology will improve things for Tesla.
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Teslas as are more limited than they let on. The range is dramatically reduced by heating or air conditioning. And forget taking them out of the city for more than a couple hundred miles. Love the idea, but the battery technology in them is still too limited to make them really ready for real world use. Maybe soon once the oil companies stop buying and suppressing amazing battery technology.
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Teslas as are more limited than they let on. The range is dramatically reduced by heating or air conditioning. And forget taking them out of the city for more than a couple hundred miles. Love the idea, but the battery technology in them is still too limited to make them really ready for real world use. Maybe soon once the oil companies stop buying and suppressing amazing battery technology.
I don't believe there is a conspiracy to buy up amazing battery technology. Nothing else on earth with the abundance and cost effectiveness as petroleum products contains as much energy per pound. I only see electric cars reducing the rate of growth of consumption of gasoline and diesel, not reducing consumption. Its a big world out there, with many billions of people just starting to discover the benefits of modern life, such as the automobile and air conditioning. They won't be lining up to buy Teslas or Mercedes for that matter any time soon.
