Finn Donati

There is some confusion..

The W222 is the 2013-2020 S-Class. (not sold in America)
The V222 is the 2013-2020 Long-wheelbase S-Class (sold worldwide)

SW20S

Both the LWB and SWB have the chassis code W222. The LWB models are denoted with a V, so when you see the spec sheet and it says “S560V” it’s the LWB.

Diesel Benz

The S560V sounds like some MBUSA terminology. For the factory the short wheel base is a W222, the long wheel base is a V222. You can find this in the datacard options list too, FW versus FV.

We normally use W222 when we don't know if it is short or long or if it does not matter for the discussion topic. This is why this forum too is called W222.

Robb92914

This is what I thought as well

Finn Donati

This is correct. Completely.

Confusion lives on.
If, here in Europe, you say you drive V222, That would be a V-class (Viano). To most people.

Finn Donati

Do you have a spec-sheet for you american S-class, you could share?

SW20S

I probably do somewhere, no clue where it would be though

Finn Donati

The spec-sheet for my european S-class is here. For reference.

Finn Donati

Ask your local dealer, to email it to you? If you do not have it.

Would like to see if MBUSA makes their own denominations.

Phillyfinest

Here’s one.

SW20S

Yep, thats exactly what I was talking about

Diesel Benz

That was not a vehicle data card but anyway, what should I look at there for the W versus V? I hope you are not referring to the car VIN/FIN?

Diesel Benz

Joe Public should not need to know anything about the factory chassis codes. He should only see the commercial names. The S class something like S350 Bluetec or S350d versus Viano or V something. A bit unfortunate though that the two may get mixed at places like this forum where people are more or less familiar with both notations.

SW20S

It says "MODEL: 2022 S580V" the "V" denotes the LWB.

Diesel Benz

Yes, I always said V refers to the LWB but the S580V is not a factory chassis code, the chassis code is V223! Probably the same on both. The "arguing" was about the LWB factory chassis code versus the SWB chassis code. The attachment does not seem to take any position. What did I miss?

SW20S

Literally the first person I have ever seen use the "V222" chassis code is you. All of the parts for my vehicle reference a W222 chassis code when ordering through Mercedes...Googling "V222" returns no Mercedes content save for a few pictures from strange sites.

You asked for a copy of the spec sheet that shows the "S560V" we were talking about well he provided exactly the spec sheet I was talking about above save for a W223 S580, the spec sheet for my 2020 W222 S560 was identical.

Diesel Benz

I asked for the vehicle data card, the one that was posted for the other example car.

Odd that you are so certain about the V versus W when in the US you don't have both. Where did you gather that experience on this topic?

Do you call the 223 Maybach a W223 too? We in Europe do not, neither V223, it has it's own letter to make clear they are different chassis variants. The same with cabrio and coupe for the previous model.

EDIT: to add more on the European view, browse e.g. the German site for the S-class price list. You should find it from this address:
https://www.mercedes-benz.de/passeng...-class/saloon-wv223/explore/specifications-teaser.module.html
Note that the mercedes url says "wv223" indicating it covers both.

The file name of the price list is "Mercedes-Benz-Preisliste-S-Klasse-Limousine-WVZ223-1.pdf". It actually covers all three variants, the SWB W, the long wheel base V and Maybach (although the Maybach I think should be X, then there would be the real long limo with 3 seat rows).

Another one:
https://jesmb.de/4581/

SW20S

I don't know what a vehicle data card is, and what was posted on the other vehicle was written in a language I don't speak. And yes, people here consider the 223 Maybach a W223 also. At the end of the day...what does it matter? The cabrio and coupe have a different chassis designation and they are reflected on this forum as such, but the entire industry refers to the MB chassis codes this way...

MBNUT1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_S-Class

Sixth generation (W222/C217/A217; 2013)[edit]

W222/C217/A217 Overview Production June 2013–September 2020 (W222)
November 2014–August 2020 (C217/A217) Model years 2014–2020 (W222)
2015–2021 (C217/A217) Layout Front engine, rear-wheel drive or four-wheel drive Powertrain Transmission 7-speed 7G-Tronic / 9-speed 9G-Tronic automatic Dimensions Wheelbase SWB: 3,035 mm (119.5 in)
LWB: 3,165 mm (124.6 in) Length SWB: 5,116 mm (201.4 in)
LWB: 5,248 mm (206.6 in)[22] Width 1,899 mm (74.8 in)[22] Height 1,496 mm (58.9 in)[22] Main articles: Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W222) and Mercedes-Benz S-Class (C217)

Mercedes-Benz S 500 short wheelbase (Germany)

Mercedes-Benz S 400 long-wheelbase (Vietnam)

InteriorOfficially unveiled in May 2013, the newest S-Class has a more streamlined appearance than the outgoing model. Some interesting features include a large front grille inspired by the F700 Concept car and LED lights used exclusively inside and out – a first in the automotive industry. Two strong converging character lines give the flanks a more sculpted look, while integrated exhaust tips and a large glass roof (likely optional) highlight the design.

Along with the sedan, the S-Class spawned a coupe (Mercedes-Benz C217) and convertible (Mercedes-Benz A217) as well as an extended-wheelbase 'Pullman' variant, longer than the long-wheelbase 'L.' While the short-wheelbase model carries chassis code W222, the long-wheelbase model uses chassis code V222. Unlike with previous generations, Mercedes focused primarily on the development of the longer model as many customers in the fast-growing Asian markets prefer to be chauffeured.[23] In 2016 Mercedes W222 was the last car with an S65 AMG engine.

Diesel Benz

First of all, I don't think this all would matter anything much. Just a tiny bit of detailed notations that the factory is using. The factory "names" are not intended to be used by the public. Nothing worth arguing on the topic.

Still I'm confused when you say the entire industry refers both models the same way. You don't consider the official German website part of this industry?
Anyway, could the sticky views be based on the US VIN definitions. Looks like the chassis identification part there could be the same for the short and the long vehicle?`Makes a difference between brand, engine size and type but not chassis length? If a SWB modern S-class was ever sold to the US, would be nice to see the US VIN for that.
https://www.autocheck.com/vehiclehistory/vin-basics

The rest of the world does not use "your" VIN format, even the factory has the US VIN always converted to the "universal" FIN (shown in parallel to the VIN). The VIN/FIN anyway is a separate story. The FIN has LWB/SWB info but in a number, does not use these W/V/X etc. letters for that.

Confusion between members just confuses me even if I know I've myself often created confusion with incomplete, difficult to understand comments. Sorry about that to everyone.

SW20S

The fact is though, everyone refers to every S Class by the "W" chassis code designation...thats why when you Google "V222" nothing comes up. Every article or review one reads, even Mercedes own press releases use the W chassis designation. Even when we did have SWB and LWB S Classes sold here, the W chassis designation has always been used.

Diesel Benz

https://jesmb.de/4709/

SW20S

I believe you that internally to Mercedes in Germany thats how they reflect it, but nobody else follows that terminology.

Diesel Benz

Some geeks do but there are many other reasons to ignore them... but I just saw a signature of a US member, referred to a V223.

Seriously, I completely agree with you, considering pretty much any discussions here at this forum, referring to all the variants with a W222 or a W223 etc. is perfect.