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What else was missing?
Why were there reminders to relocate steering column and drivers seat? Why uncomfortable position? Did you not use the memory feature?
Is 3.5 seconds a long time to open a door? I have no idea as I’ve never timed it. I’m curious why this was an issue and why you thought it took so long?
My 2015 has a very simple “ favorite” button that allows you to access screens of your choice with 1 push of a button? Does the 2021 not offer this feature?
What “more”? please elaborate.
Thank you in advance for enlightening us!
Why were there reminders to relocate steering column and drivers seat? Why uncomfortable position? Did you not use the memory feature?
Is 3.5 seconds a long time to open a door? I have no idea as I’ve never timed it. I’m curious why this was an issue and why you thought it took so long?
My 2015 has a very simple “ favorite” button that allows you to access screens of your choice with 1 push of a button? Does the 2021 not offer this feature?
What “more”? please elaborate.
Thank you in advance for enlightening us!
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So sorry about the cognitive dissonance model going on here. I loved my S at the start….posted many photos. It became “downhill racer” quickly. The seat position issue could not be corrected. The cameras wanted to see my eyes at all times. As a 5’9” man, I kept the seat high, as always. Steering column relatively low. Non stop correction notices, clogging up the driver’s cluster. I caved…gave in, most often adjusting my seat….and annoying me to the core. As mentioned, I bailed, I bolted. As an FYI, I am a tech guy. It comes easily to me. My conclusion, in one of my early posts was that this car is constantly trying to prove how smart it is….looking for me to go to that “ah hah” moment. Gimmickry….wasted on me. The OLED screen was so seductive to me….I live with them in my home. It was a thing of beauty in the new S. My interest waned though. And yes…..3 seconds is a long time to wait for door handles to pop out, especially when there are 4 passengers wanting in.
To be clear, I’m in a 2021 Porsche SUV now. No complaints.
To be clear, I’m in a 2021 Porsche SUV now. No complaints.
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@Nonformulaic Which Porsche did you get and which trim level? Cayenne is on my radar when it's time to replace the GLE.
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Truly happy for you. Enjoy second by second. There’s a lot of “gorgeous” to enjoy, for sure. My post COVID, post Trump threshold is much lower as of late. But still, writing a check for nearly $130,000….I’m looking for a lot more than transportation from point A to point B. I’d very much like to not have my car being the noun in my life. That said, I still get my kicks from a special vehicle. I call it “LBF” (look back factor”). Simply stated, do I turn my head to view my car after I walk away? That’s when it becomes a noun for me. I hated feeling like a goon waiting for door handles to eject; I despised being governed and dictated to, having my seating position regulated; I was cheated out of soft pillows for my head and left with hard MB Tex flat slabs of headrest/restraint vinyl offering me zero support. Other items too….such as interior assistant…MIA. There are many vehicles which were not so “de-contented” which could’ve pleased me. It’s nice to have a car that does what it’s supposed to do. Given a choice, I would’ve been happier in a dreaded Lexus….where vehicles work, get seamlessly serviced, and service staff is product knowledgable. OK? I flirted with the notion and instead went forward with the Cayenne. It fits, it works, it even thrills somewhat. It looks great in my garage. And…and…I do not feel exploited, if not outright stupid driving it.
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I believe he was referring to just how splendidly wonderful things are going right now. Things are so “Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious,” that my wife and I don’t listen to the news anymore. We just can’t take so much utter positivity in our lives. I mean I just get goosebumps when I think of our current, most glorious leaders.
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I am reading all these posts with interest. I used to be excited about getting my 2022 S580 (that has been sitting in Brunswick for several week). Now I don't know if I should be excited, hide under the covers or take 2 valium tablets. I think you guys are just trying to get me to cancel my new car so you can scoff it up
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I am reading all these posts with interest. I used to be excited about getting my 2022 S580 (that has been sitting in Brunswick for several week). Now I don't know if I should be excited, hide under the covers or take 2 valium tablets. I think you guys are just trying to get me to cancel my new car so you can scoff it up
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I had my eye on a 2022 too, @RJC , and it is disconcerting to read complaints about the S580. I got to sit in a 2021 last weekend, and could see some items areas where it looked cheaper than my prior Mercedes. I don’t think the center console looks very upscale with the black plastic “lacquered “ trim and flowing horizontal lines. I’d opt for one of the real wood options. I’d be disappointed with missing content too, especially in the seating.
I also like the Cayenne and may look at the hybrid model. I’ve always had good luck with the nearest Porsche dealership.
It’s an awful time to be shopping for a new car. Inventory levels are abysmal, and parts shortages could make living with an unreliable model difficult.
I also like the Cayenne and may look at the hybrid model. I’ve always had good luck with the nearest Porsche dealership.
It’s an awful time to be shopping for a new car. Inventory levels are abysmal, and parts shortages could make living with an unreliable model difficult.
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Sounds good. Someone commented about how expensive the maintenance is with Porsches….specifically the tires. Last I checked, I had all season factory standard Michelins…which are non run flat. Separately, the first paid by owner service is at 20,000 miles.
Standard tire.
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With all these complaints including rough down shifts, I can not/will not hand over $143K for such abysmal quality. This is very damning of MB.
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This will bring you no consolation, but the first model year of ANY car is the worst. Despite their best efforts, once cars are produced and handed over to customers, the manufacturer inevitably identifies many issues that are corrected in subsequent model years. I hope your dealer is able to get your car sorted and back to you relatively soon.
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I disagree with you. Japanese carmakers don't seem to have this problem. When Audi launched the A8 in 2019, there were almost none of these on major forums. Look at the LS500, Audi A8 forums. They're dead. Sure, they don't sell nearly as well, combined, as the S but that statement just isn't true.
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The JD Power data are a reasonable assessment of quality especially when viewed over the longer term with some like Lexus and Porsche consistently doing quite well in this regard, MB unfortunately has been going in the opposite direction. Let's hope MB pulls it together soon and rises back up to the top 5 as its been quite a while.
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I disagree with you. Japanese carmakers don't seem to have this problem. When Audi launched the A8 in 2019, there were almost none of these on major forums. Look at the LS500, Audi A8 forums. They're dead. Sure, they don't sell nearly as well, combined, as the S but that statement just isn't true.
After a few months time, when MB starts to get the rhythm together on this techie vehicle, I am sure many-most of the bugs will be worked out or they will have fixed, updates and parts.
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I had my eye on a 2022 too, @RJC , and it is disconcerting to read complaints about the S580. I got to sit in a 2021 last weekend, and could see some items areas where it looked cheaper than my prior Mercedes. I don’t think the center console looks very upscale with the black plastic “lacquered “ trim and flowing horizontal lines. I’d opt for one of the real wood options. I’d be disappointed with missing content too, especially in the seating.
I also like the Cayenne and may look at the hybrid model. I’ve always had good luck with the nearest Porsche dealership.
It’s an awful time to be shopping for a new car. Inventory levels are abysmal, and parts shortages could make living with an unreliable model difficult.
I also like the Cayenne and may look at the hybrid model. I’ve always had good luck with the nearest Porsche dealership.
It’s an awful time to be shopping for a new car. Inventory levels are abysmal, and parts shortages could make living with an unreliable model difficult.
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Sure there are few personal taste pet peeves that are hardly worth mentioning. For example, to lock the boot when valet parking you need to enter a 4 digit PIN. No problem. But the car has to be at a standstill. Why? I have no idea. Safety issue?? Hardly. Would be nice if I could enter PIN as I’m driving in instead of having to wait until I actually stop. Totally first world problems. So no real complaint.
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I disagree with you. Japanese carmakers don't seem to have this problem. When Audi launched the A8 in 2019, there were almost none of these on major forums. Look at the LS500, Audi A8 forums. They're dead. Sure, they don't sell nearly as well, combined, as the S but that statement just isn't true.
I have never owned a Lexus that required no warranty repairs, and my 2015 LS460 spent its first 2 weeks in my ownership at the dealer with a hard to repair faulty infotainment system.
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I’ve had mine for some time too and no complaints whatsoever. Love every second driving it.
Sure there are few personal taste pet peeves that are hardly worth mentioning. For example, to lock the boot when valet parking you need to enter a 4 digit PIN. No problem. But the car has to be at a standstill. Why? I have no idea. Safety issue?? Hardly. Would be nice if I could enter PIN as I’m driving in instead of having to wait until I actually stop. Totally first world problems. So no real complaint.
Sure there are few personal taste pet peeves that are hardly worth mentioning. For example, to lock the boot when valet parking you need to enter a 4 digit PIN. No problem. But the car has to be at a standstill. Why? I have no idea. Safety issue?? Hardly. Would be nice if I could enter PIN as I’m driving in instead of having to wait until I actually stop. Totally first world problems. So no real complaint.
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I have had the same experience as Sonic Boom and have had no problems whatsoever. The car is such a pleasure to drive in every respect and is superior in ride comfort, handling and quietness to the previous model. I do not have run flat tires and I have the 4.5 steering. My only pet peeve is where they put the door lock/unlock switch on the drivers door, a bit hard to locate. As much as I love the car, I remain disgusted with MB over the delayed launch and lack of communication on when my car would be shipped out of Brunswick. No excuse for the car sitting in a lot for 5 months…maybe the new norm for MB.
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