S-Class (W223) 2021 to Present

Back seat climate

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
Old 03-26-2023, 03:55 PM
  #26  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Streamliner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Corona Del Mar, CA
Posts: 7,467
Received 3,761 Likes on 2,149 Posts
2020 S560 Sedan, 2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, '24 BMW I7 on order...
Originally Posted by saltydogmarsh
I purchased a 2019 S450 because my wife said I needed to have an executive car after a recent promotion. Good wife. Anyway... we were shocked that a S-Class would not have rear controls for the vents. Is it even possible to retrofit this option in?
4-Zone Climate Control was an option and is still an option on the new S. I imagine it could be retrofitted, but I think it would be expensive and that you would be better off trading the car for one equipped more to your liking.

P.S. By the way, you lose about 70% of the center armrest storage area depth with 4-Zone.

Last edited by Streamliner; 03-26-2023 at 03:57 PM.
The following users liked this post:
saltydogmarsh (03-26-2023)
Old 03-27-2023, 03:04 AM
  #27  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Diesel Benz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Europe
Posts: 6,390
Received 299 Likes on 250 Posts
223.168 & 213.012 & 906.633 & 214.005
Originally Posted by saltydogmarsh
I purchased a 2019 S450 because my wife said I needed to have an executive car after a recent promotion. Good wife. Anyway... we were shocked that a S-Class would not have rear controls for the vents. Is it even possible to retrofit this option in?
The point with rear HVAC is that it is a complete HVAC system with independent blowers and heat exchangers etc. that need a lot of room. Not just the rear control panel, a lot of pipes and valves too, very expensive to retrofit.
Old 03-27-2023, 03:45 AM
  #28  
Super Member
 
bishop64's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2021
Location: Hong Kong, China
Posts: 893
Received 396 Likes on 265 Posts
2021 S450 4Matic
Originally Posted by Streamliner
4-Zone Climate Control was an option and is still an option on the new S. I imagine it could be retrofitted, but I think it would be expensive and that you would be better off trading the car for one equipped more to your liking.

P.S. By the way, you lose about 70% of the center armrest storage area depth with 4-Zone.
MBUSA website Configurator (for S500 only while S580 is not ready) shows dual-zone Climate Control as standard feature (both Luxury Line and AMG line). And I cannot find 4-zone Climator Control as an available option. I suspect, this omission is likely due to the long chip shortage problem.
However, for Maybach S580 and S680, 4-zone Climate Control is standard feature.

MB Canada is the same. However, I think this is market/region specific as I find out that here locally Hong Kong MB currently has 4-zone Climate Control as standard feature for all S-Class models. All are 2023 models.

Last edited by bishop64; 03-27-2023 at 06:17 AM.
Old 03-27-2023, 07:23 AM
  #29  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Frenetic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Costco
Posts: 1,573
Received 765 Likes on 478 Posts
2023 S500
The lack of 4-zone climate control as either standard or as a modest option always bothered me. My $100k+ GLE lacked it and out of the 23 S classes on nearby dealer lots that I looked at NOT ONE had it optioned. The way Mercedes packages options is strange to me and not very smart. The HUD is another example. You can pickup a cheap Acura or Lexus with 4-zone climate control as standard.
Old 03-27-2023, 09:54 AM
  #30  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
BenjaminKohl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Westchester, NY
Posts: 1,467
Received 481 Likes on 357 Posts
2014 Mercedes E350 4matic Wagon, 2018 Fiat 124 Spyder Lusso manual, 2005 Acura TSX manual
Originally Posted by bishop64
MBUSA website Configurator (for S500 only while S580 is not ready) shows dual-zone Climate Control as standard feature (both Luxury Line and AMG line). And I cannot find 4-zone Climator Control as an available option. I suspect, this omission is likely due to the long chip shortage problem.
However, for Maybach S580 and S680, 4-zone Climate Control is standard feature.

MB Canada is the same. However, I think this is market/region specific as I find out that here locally Hong Kong MB currently has 4-zone Climate Control as standard feature for all S-Class models. All are 2023 models.
In the US, since the 2021 model year (well before as well, but I'll only speak on W223 for this thread), the 4 zone climate is part of the "rear seat package". For the W223, this is a part of the Executive Line, and not available otherwise, which makes it exclusive to the S580 and S580e, plus standard on Maybach models.
Old 03-27-2023, 12:56 PM
  #31  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
crabman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 1,915
Received 1,181 Likes on 733 Posts
23 S580 Executive
My dealership was telling me they sell few executives, too expensive, too many options most people don't want, no possibility of AMG. In fact the sales manager complained about the bundling saying they're asking for more standalone because they think they'd get more sell through and profit. I've never sold cars but it makes sense that a number of people would put a check in a four zone box but not many would get the executive package for the 4 zone. It does make you wonder about the reasoning behind the bundle as it exists; there's no reason to think the people who made those choices are stupid, which means they had their reasons.
Old 03-27-2023, 02:26 PM
  #32  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
BenjaminKohl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Westchester, NY
Posts: 1,467
Received 481 Likes on 357 Posts
2014 Mercedes E350 4matic Wagon, 2018 Fiat 124 Spyder Lusso manual, 2005 Acura TSX manual
I had made a plan a while back for what I thought trim structure for the W223 should have been, and I'd be curious to hear folk's take on it here.

Base model now called premium. All current standard features.
Options:
Nappa leather
AMG Line
4.5 rear steering on AMG, 10 on base styling
Heated rear seats
Heated steering wheel
4 zone climate
Active ambient light
HUD (not AR)
Maybe air balance package is not standard

Luxury
Standard:
contents of w&c package I.e. heated wheel, heated armrests, energizing, power rear seats heated and cooled.
HUD (not AR)
Nappa
Air Balance
Options:
Exclusive Nappa/signature interior
AMG Line
4.5 rear steering on AMG, 10 on base styling
3D tech (lower price because HUD without AR is included)
E-abc
High end audio
4 zone climate standalone
Active ambient lighting

Executive
Standard: contents of rear seat and executive rear seat (4 zone climate, tablet, foot rest and extra adjustable seats, LED lights, belt bag, massaging, calf massage, belt bringer, illuminated belt buckles, easy adjust headrests, heated neck, rear seat entertainment, rear energizing, rear gestures)
RWS (4.5 on AMG, 10 on standard styling)
Maybe 3d tech
Options:
Exclusive Nappa/signature interior
AMG Line
3d tech
E-abc
High end audio
Active ambient light

I know some folks would be dissapointing that the pano roof, keyless entry, and 19 nch wheels would still be standard but there would be 0% chance of those not being standard in the US
Old 03-27-2023, 03:05 PM
  #33  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Streamliner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Corona Del Mar, CA
Posts: 7,467
Received 3,761 Likes on 2,149 Posts
2020 S560 Sedan, 2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, '24 BMW I7 on order...
Originally Posted by crabman
My dealership was telling me they sell few executives, too expensive, too many options most people don't want, no possibility of AMG. In fact the sales manager complained about the bundling saying they're asking for more standalone because they think they'd get more sell through and profit. I've never sold cars but it makes sense that a number of people would put a check in a four zone box but not many would get the executive package for the 4 zone. It does make you wonder about the reasoning behind the bundle as it exists; there's no reason to think the people who made those choices are stupid, which means they had their reasons.
The “best” thing about the ridiculous “Executive Line,” is that MBUSA made it up! The “model” doesn’t even exist anywhere other than in the USA. I went for it to get the 10 degree rear axle steering, but wanted none of the rear seat options. As nice as the rear steering is, I don’t think I would go that way again.
Old 03-27-2023, 03:15 PM
  #34  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
crabman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 1,915
Received 1,181 Likes on 733 Posts
23 S580 Executive
I did it to get the 10 degree, the 4 zone, and I did want to be able to control car functions when I actually sit back there. I rent a limo a few times a year but I'm going to hire a driver for those occasions with this car, thought I'd try it out. The rear screens would have been a skip for me; there is no world in which I don't take my baby laptop with me and I would pull that out every time versus using those screens. Which reminds me about the inability to get the 4 seat configuration. That really torqued me.
Old 03-27-2023, 03:25 PM
  #35  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Streamliner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Corona Del Mar, CA
Posts: 7,467
Received 3,761 Likes on 2,149 Posts
2020 S560 Sedan, 2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, '24 BMW I7 on order...
Originally Posted by crabman
I did it to get the 10 degree, the 4 zone, and I did want to be able to control car functions when I actually sit back there. I rent a limo a few times a year but I'm going to hire a driver for those occasions with this car, thought I'd try it out. The rear screens would have been a skip for me; there is no world in which I don't take my baby laptop with me and I would pull that out every time versus using those screens. Which reminds me about the inability to get the 4 seat configuration. That really torqued me.
To further illustrate how little the rear seat options mean to me, my “tablet” from my S580 is still sealed in the box. I’ve never opened it. Hate to see it go missing before I turn the leased car back in.
Old 03-27-2023, 03:40 PM
  #36  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
crabman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 1,915
Received 1,181 Likes on 733 Posts
23 S580 Executive
My grandchildren dropped it a couple times, mine isn't quite in like new condition anymore. *facepalm*

When I filled out the questionnaire one of my complaints was the lack of a global off button to childproof it back there. The kids do love it, lots of toys.

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.

Quick Reply: Back seat climate



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:01 PM.