VW listens to their customers. HEY MB, DO THE SAME!
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Well, I am with you - I am 62 and will never go back to dials and switches. If I wanted a 1964 Piper Cub cockpit, I would have bought one of those! lol
I love tech - would I like some stuff (like lumbar and other seat controls) to be a bit more up front and not buried in a sub menu somewhere 5 clicks away? Yes. But I love the screens in my W223...
I love tech - would I like some stuff (like lumbar and other seat controls) to be a bit more up front and not buried in a sub menu somewhere 5 clicks away? Yes. But I love the screens in my W223...
Yeah having had the 223 and the 222, the shift in their design philosophy is really clear
Yes, there should be a seat button that just pulls all the seat controls right up. Lexus had such a button on the LS500s. You can click home, comfort and then seat and its not too bad but still not as quick as it should be, and you can save a fsvorite but that still requires a click, scroll, click.
Yes, there should be a seat button that just pulls all the seat controls right up. Lexus had such a button on the LS500s. You can click home, comfort and then seat and its not too bad but still not as quick as it should be, and you can save a fsvorite but that still requires a click, scroll, click.
Good comment by @SW20S regarding "there should be a seat button that just pulls all the seat controls right up". BMW has that in the 7; there is one for the seats on the door. For the lights, there is one "parent" button on the dahs that pulls light setting. For ambient lighting there is one "parent" button next to sunroof slider that pulls ambient light. Then on the central console, there is one button next to the drive modes that pulls the "vehicle settings" on the dash. It's still a 2 step but good job placing all these buttons around the cabin in places that make sense. If you rent the car, you may spend days without ever realizing what/where these buttons are, but once you are used to it, they make things easier. It's just not that obvious from the outside.
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Even better than blower..... Get ONR, diluted to 3-5% in a water bottle as a drying aid, spray it all around after the wash, and you can gently dry your car with a towel and no concerns about scratches whatsoever. Porbably easier and more satisfying than using a blower. Plus the ONR will help with a final detailing-spray like finish
I was talking about the piano black console though. I use compressed air to blow the dust off of it before I clean it so it can't scratch
Good comment by @SW20S regarding "there should be a seat button that just pulls all the seat controls right up". BMW has that in the 7; there is one for the seats on the door. For the lights, there is one "parent" button on the dahs that pulls light setting. For ambient lighting there is one "parent" button next to sunroof slider that pulls ambient light. Then on the central console, there is one button next to the drive modes that pulls the "vehicle settings" on the dash. It's still a 2 step but good job placing all these buttons around the cabin in places that make sense. If you rent the car, you may spend days without ever realizing what/where these buttons are, but once you are used to it, they make things easier. It's just not that obvious from the outside.
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I am 100% confident the experience with BOTH cars is just as good and just as rewarding. Same here, I would forever wish that I've had a W223 as the only generation I missed out of the last few gens. However, not I think I have officially missed that chance to experience it. I almost wanted to, and have seriously considered the S580e PHEV, but I just went in the end with i7. Pretty sure I was going to be just as satisfied either way, but given my good experience with EVs in the past I went that route. Not thrilled with the look still especially coming from B8, but certainly in all black it is not ugly at least in my eyes.
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I am 100% confident the experience with BOTH cars is just as good and just as rewarding. Same here, I would forever wish that I've had a W223 as the only generation I missed out of the last few gens. However, not I think I have officially missed that chance to experience it. I almost wanted to, and have seriously considered the S580e PHEV, but I just went in the end with i7. Pretty sure I was going to be just as satisfied either way, but given my good experience with EVs in the past I went that route. Not thrilled with the look still especially coming from B8, but certainly in all black it is not ugly at least in my eyes.
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Well, I am with you - I am 62 and will never go back to dials and switches. If I wanted a 1964 Piper Cub cockpit, I would have bought one of those! lol
I love tech - would I like some stuff (like lumbar and other seat controls) to be a bit more up front and not buried in a sub menu somewhere 5 clicks away? Yes. But I love the screens in my W223...
I love tech - would I like some stuff (like lumbar and other seat controls) to be a bit more up front and not buried in a sub menu somewhere 5 clicks away? Yes. But I love the screens in my W223...
Has anybody a solution for the glare in the outside mirrors from the piano dash?
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Llumar IRX or Formula1 Stratos (also by Llumar) is known to reduce the glare quite a bit. Maybe get the benefits of installing one of the best window tints available now and see if it will also reduce glare as a 2nd benefit. Formula1 Stratos is actually the best tint period but they Llumar provides that to very few selected shops that must meet certain criteria, so it is VERY hard to find a shop that can get it.
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Lawsuit going on... This was posted already?
https://www.motor1.com/news/769331/v...wheel-buttons/
https://www.carscoops.com/2025/08/vw...-theyre-suing/
https://www.motor1.com/news/769331/v...wheel-buttons/
https://www.carscoops.com/2025/08/vw...-theyre-suing/
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Lawsuit going on... This was posted already?
https://www.motor1.com/news/769331/v...wheel-buttons/
https://www.carscoops.com/2025/08/vw...-theyre-suing/
https://www.motor1.com/news/769331/v...wheel-buttons/
https://www.carscoops.com/2025/08/vw...-theyre-suing/
Seriously though, I hope this lawsuit is tremendously successful for the plaintiffs. It’s about time someone called the automakers out on this crap.
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Something isn't lawsuit worthy because you don't like it lol. The haptic controls on the S580 work fine and are perfectly safe. You hated the car in general and that colors your perceptions of everything about it.
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Most companies took advantage of the interface cheap-out of the past few years. I bet there were some big bonuses for execs.
Having owned an Audi and Porsche, VAG is firmly on my never again list. They did all of the control cheap outs, plus potato-quality backup cameras and entire suites of unreliable electronic features.
There is never a perfect car, in my opinion. Just ones where the good is endearing enough to excuse the bad.
Having owned an Audi and Porsche, VAG is firmly on my never again list. They did all of the control cheap outs, plus potato-quality backup cameras and entire suites of unreliable electronic features.
There is never a perfect car, in my opinion. Just ones where the good is endearing enough to excuse the bad.
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WAIT! Can I get in on this??? Oh, I don’t have a VW, damn!………And, even though I don’t like them, all the capacitive controls in my current car, dare I say a BMW, work great…………BUT, the capacitive controls in my S580 were absolutely horrible, so might THAT not qualify for me to get in on this VW Class Action??? I mean, this is just the sort of recreation I LOVE!
Seriously though, I hope this lawsuit is tremendously successful for the plaintiffs. It’s about time someone called the automakers out on this crap.
Seriously though, I hope this lawsuit is tremendously successful for the plaintiffs. It’s about time someone called the automakers out on this crap.
I wonder if it is VW or the group so including porsche, audi that is affected etc.
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Most companies took advantage of the interface cheap-out of the past few years. I bet there were some big bonuses for execs.
Having owned an Audi and Porsche, VAG is firmly on my never again list. They did all of the control cheap outs, plus potato-quality backup cameras and entire suites of unreliable electronic features.
There is never a perfect car, in my opinion. Just ones where the good is endearing enough to excuse the bad.
Having owned an Audi and Porsche, VAG is firmly on my never again list. They did all of the control cheap outs, plus potato-quality backup cameras and entire suites of unreliable electronic features.
There is never a perfect car, in my opinion. Just ones where the good is endearing enough to excuse the bad.
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Reason why I am defending OP because I truly share the same frustration with OP, I been playing around with it from W223, W214 and W206 on several of my friends and some family members' MB. I truly don't like it, maybe my hands is the problem, maybe they are too dry? Admittedly I didn't try a bmw yet.
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Reason why I am defending OP because I truly share the same frustration with OP, I been playing around with it from W223, W214 and W206 on several of my friends and some family members' MB. I truly don't like it, maybe my hands is the problem, maybe they are too dry? Admittedly I didn't try a bmw yet.
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WAIT! Can I get in on this??? Oh, I don’t have a VW, damn!………And, even though I don’t like them, all the capacitive controls in my current car, dare I say a BMW, work great…………BUT, the capacitive controls in my S580 were absolutely horrible, so might THAT not qualify for me to get in on this VW Class Action??? I mean, this is just the sort of recreation I LOVE!
Seriously though, I hope this lawsuit is tremendously successful for the plaintiffs. It’s about time someone called the automakers out on this crap.
Seriously though, I hope this lawsuit is tremendously successful for the plaintiffs. It’s about time someone called the automakers out on this crap.
I managed to set the “hand gestures” for the 2 main functions I need (rear sun-blind, and go back to CarPlay screen) and that’s my way to avoid touch or capacitive touch cause I barely need to do anything else daily/
The capacitive touch in the i7 sucks, same as the W223… I can’t even tell if there is any difference between the two... I don’t think the capacitive touch in any car can be as good as physical buttons, period.
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Hmmm… Although I’ve only lived with my i7 for 2-3 weeks now, I still hate and can get used to the capacitive controls in it. Did I get use to them? Yes. Are they great? NO
I managed to set the “hand gestures” for the 2 main functions I need (rear sun-blind, and go back to CarPlay screen) and that’s my way to avoid touch or capacitive touch cause I barely need to do anything else daily/
The capacitive touch in the i7 sucks, same as the W223… I can’t even tell if there is any difference between the two... I don’t think the capacitive touch in any car can be as good as physical buttons, period.
I managed to set the “hand gestures” for the 2 main functions I need (rear sun-blind, and go back to CarPlay screen) and that’s my way to avoid touch or capacitive touch cause I barely need to do anything else daily/
The capacitive touch in the i7 sucks, same as the W223… I can’t even tell if there is any difference between the two... I don’t think the capacitive touch in any car can be as good as physical buttons, period.
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Hmmm… Although I’ve only lived with my i7 for 2-3 weeks now, I still hate and can get used to the capacitive controls in it. Did I get use to them? Yes. Are they great? NO
I managed to set the “hand gestures” for the 2 main functions I need (rear sun-blind, and go back to CarPlay screen) and that’s my way to avoid touch or capacitive touch cause I barely need to do anything else daily/
The capacitive touch in the i7 sucks, same as the W223… I can’t even tell if there is any difference between the two... I don’t think the capacitive touch in any car can be as good as physical buttons, period.
I managed to set the “hand gestures” for the 2 main functions I need (rear sun-blind, and go back to CarPlay screen) and that’s my way to avoid touch or capacitive touch cause I barely need to do anything else daily/
The capacitive touch in the i7 sucks, same as the W223… I can’t even tell if there is any difference between the two... I don’t think the capacitive touch in any car can be as good as physical buttons, period.
My preference is to drive with all of those up, but I found them to be too hard to see out of.
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These touchscreens, you have to be VERY careful when cleaning them.
There is a coating on them that protects the surface underneath.
Almost all commercial cleaners including glass cleaner will dissolve that coating right off.
Then the touchscreen won’t work well.
On the other extreme, if you let too much oil and grease coat the screen, from natural skin oils, and whatever moisturizer or sunscreen you have applied, the screens won’t work very well either.
A very dilute vinegar solution is the best cleaner with a very soft microfiber cloth.
Really the best screen treatment is, don’t get it dirty, so you won’t have to clean it.
There is a coating on them that protects the surface underneath.
Almost all commercial cleaners including glass cleaner will dissolve that coating right off.
Then the touchscreen won’t work well.
On the other extreme, if you let too much oil and grease coat the screen, from natural skin oils, and whatever moisturizer or sunscreen you have applied, the screens won’t work very well either.
A very dilute vinegar solution is the best cleaner with a very soft microfiber cloth.
Really the best screen treatment is, don’t get it dirty, so you won’t have to clean it.
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These touchscreens, you have to be VERY careful when cleaning them.
There is a coating on them that protects the surface underneath.
Almost all commercial cleaners including glass cleaner will dissolve that coating right off.
Then the touchscreen won’t work well.
On the other extreme, if you let too much oil and grease coat the screen, from natural skin oils, and whatever moisturizer or sunscreen you have applied, the screens won’t work very well either.
A very dilute vinegar solution is the best cleaner with a very soft microfiber cloth.
Really the best screen treatment is, don’t get it dirty, so you won’t have to clean it.
There is a coating on them that protects the surface underneath.
Almost all commercial cleaners including glass cleaner will dissolve that coating right off.
Then the touchscreen won’t work well.
On the other extreme, if you let too much oil and grease coat the screen, from natural skin oils, and whatever moisturizer or sunscreen you have applied, the screens won’t work very well either.
A very dilute vinegar solution is the best cleaner with a very soft microfiber cloth.
Really the best screen treatment is, don’t get it dirty, so you won’t have to clean it.
