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'25 S63 AMG E Performance, '26 CLE 53 AMG
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'25 S580
My Corvette C8 Z06 and C8 ZR1 have flat plane crank V8s--they are awesome sounding V8s. Oh but they are not luxury sedans.
But they are fast! Now this is how MB gets back on track--attracting performance minded individuals that also like luxury. Exactly why my '19 S63 AMG was my best MB in 35 years of buying new MBs. Lets hope MB is listening to it's customers NOW because they have not been listening lately!
But they are fast! Now this is how MB gets back on track--attracting performance minded individuals that also like luxury. Exactly why my '19 S63 AMG was my best MB in 35 years of buying new MBs. Lets hope MB is listening to it's customers NOW because they have not been listening lately!It’s so unfortunate that you had to deal with such issues on a brand new top of the line S class
I would be pissed and disappointed as well.
Thing with the whole EV powertrain and the hybridization is great when it works, but such a nightmare when you have to deal with problems.
My work involves dealing with technical issues that happen in the field and the components are all EV related - motors, inverters, reducers, HV batteries and charging units.
One electrical problem in the HV power system/circuit renders the whole vehicle immobile and pinpointing the problem isn’t as easy as it seems.
Often times a tiny mistake or an error in the parts level causes the whole assembly to fail resulting in having to drop the whole subframe to repair.
The ole’ analog, ICE days are over and the more stringent regulations require over engineering and complexity with everything.
If you’ve seen an engine air filter change on a Porsche Panamera, one has to wonder what good the modern environmental/emissions regulations serve for the general public other than increasing car prices and repair bills.
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2025 S580
Unless you have used the superscreen, or even the new dash on the E-450, you won't appreciate the current design of the S-class dash. One of the problems with the touch screens is accuracy in hitting the right spot while negotiating traffic at 70mph. With the super screen your arm is extended--with no support--to reach the dash so accuracy is compromised. With the current S-class I can easily rest my elbow on the console which vastly improves my accuracy. I had significant issues during the year driving the E-450 which required a lot of time with eyes off the road. The S-class design puts the screen just a few inches closer, making it much easier to use.
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Unless you have used the superscreen, or even the new dash on the E-450, you won't appreciate the current design of the S-class dash. One of the problems with the touch screens is accuracy in hitting the right spot while negotiating traffic at 70mph. With the super screen your arm is extended--with no support--to reach the dash so accuracy is compromised. With the current S-class I can easily rest my elbow on the console which vastly improves my accuracy. I had significant issues during the year driving the E-450 which required a lot of time with eyes off the road. The S-class design puts the screen just a few inches closer, making it much easier to use.
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The noise the flat plane crankshaft V8s make is just so unique and pleasing, it would be awesome to hear it in a luxury sedan.
It’s so unfortunate that you had to deal with such issues on a brand new top of the line S class
I would be pissed and disappointed as well.
Thing with the whole EV powertrain and the hybridization is great when it works, but such a nightmare when you have to deal with problems.
My work involves dealing with technical issues that happen in the field and the components are all EV related - motors, inverters, reducers, HV batteries and charging units.
One electrical problem in the HV power system/circuit renders the whole vehicle immobile and pinpointing the problem isn’t as easy as it seems.
Often times a tiny mistake or an error in the parts level causes the whole assembly to fail resulting in having to drop the whole subframe to repair.
The ole’ analog, ICE days are over and the more stringent regulations require over engineering and complexity with everything.
If you’ve seen an engine air filter change on a Porsche Panamera, one has to wonder what good the modern environmental/emissions regulations serve for the general public other than increasing car prices and repair bills.
It’s so unfortunate that you had to deal with such issues on a brand new top of the line S class
I would be pissed and disappointed as well.
Thing with the whole EV powertrain and the hybridization is great when it works, but such a nightmare when you have to deal with problems.
My work involves dealing with technical issues that happen in the field and the components are all EV related - motors, inverters, reducers, HV batteries and charging units.
One electrical problem in the HV power system/circuit renders the whole vehicle immobile and pinpointing the problem isn’t as easy as it seems.
Often times a tiny mistake or an error in the parts level causes the whole assembly to fail resulting in having to drop the whole subframe to repair.
The ole’ analog, ICE days are over and the more stringent regulations require over engineering and complexity with everything.
If you’ve seen an engine air filter change on a Porsche Panamera, one has to wonder what good the modern environmental/emissions regulations serve for the general public other than increasing car prices and repair bills.
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'25 S63 AMG E Performance, '26 CLE 53 AMG
UPDATE--Ok I am going to give praise where it is due!
MBUSA made the quick decision to buy back my '25 S63 E Performance! Thanks MBUSA for the quick decision. I believe my long standing (35 years) purchasing behavior with MB and my long standing relationship with the dealer (29 years) where determining factors in the speed of the decision to buy back the car. While at the time I had requested a buy back from MBUSA, my dealer already had contacted the MB Zone Rep to get the Zone folks to help in the buy back. Loyalty to MB and to an MB dealer does have benefits! Thanks MBUSA and to my dealer for the quick decision. This is how true customer service should work! Can't wait to order the 2027 S63 (with the assumption that MB has removed the P3 Hybrid System in the 2027).
I started the process yesterday and I got the phone call today that they are buying the car back! 1.75 days from request to approval--awesome!
MBUSA made the quick decision to buy back my '25 S63 E Performance! Thanks MBUSA for the quick decision. I believe my long standing (35 years) purchasing behavior with MB and my long standing relationship with the dealer (29 years) where determining factors in the speed of the decision to buy back the car. While at the time I had requested a buy back from MBUSA, my dealer already had contacted the MB Zone Rep to get the Zone folks to help in the buy back. Loyalty to MB and to an MB dealer does have benefits! Thanks MBUSA and to my dealer for the quick decision. This is how true customer service should work! Can't wait to order the 2027 S63 (with the assumption that MB has removed the P3 Hybrid System in the 2027).
I started the process yesterday and I got the phone call today that they are buying the car back! 1.75 days from request to approval--awesome!
I don’t have to drive one, it’s nothing like an E Class. Torsion bar rear suspension is all you need to know. If you don’t get the difference you have been spending way too much money on cars for no reason lol. Better than a Corolla for sure, not a comparison to anything RWD with a longitudinal layout and multilink suspension.
Seriously though, let MB buy your S63 back and move on. It’s not worth the stress. Give MB another shot or don’t, nobody would blame you if you didn’t.
Seriously though, let MB buy your S63 back and move on. It’s not worth the stress. Give MB another shot or don’t, nobody would blame you if you didn’t.
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UPDATE--Ok I am going to give praise where it is due!
MBUSA made the quick decision to buy back my '25 S63 E Performance! Thanks MBUSA for the quick decision. I believe my long standing (35 years) purchasing behavior with MB and my long standing relationship with the dealer (29 years) where determining factors in the speed of the decision to buy back the car. While at the time I had requested a buy back from MBUSA, my dealer already had contacted the MB Zone Rep to get the Zone folks to help in the buy back. Loyalty to MB and to an MB dealer does have benefits! Thanks MBUSA and to my dealer for the quick decision. This is how true customer service should work! Can't wait to order the 2027 S63 (with the assumption that MB has removed the P3 Hybrid System in the 2027).
I started the process yesterday and I got the phone call today that they are buying the car back! 1.75 days from request to approval--awesome!
MBUSA made the quick decision to buy back my '25 S63 E Performance! Thanks MBUSA for the quick decision. I believe my long standing (35 years) purchasing behavior with MB and my long standing relationship with the dealer (29 years) where determining factors in the speed of the decision to buy back the car. While at the time I had requested a buy back from MBUSA, my dealer already had contacted the MB Zone Rep to get the Zone folks to help in the buy back. Loyalty to MB and to an MB dealer does have benefits! Thanks MBUSA and to my dealer for the quick decision. This is how true customer service should work! Can't wait to order the 2027 S63 (with the assumption that MB has removed the P3 Hybrid System in the 2027).
I started the process yesterday and I got the phone call today that they are buying the car back! 1.75 days from request to approval--awesome!
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'25 S63 AMG E Performance, '26 CLE 53 AMG
Buy a '26 Mazda3! Like mentioned above. You never know--it is an awesome car for the MSRP of $40k (and it does have AWD for the winter fun up north)!
Actually, I am not sure but thankfully I don't have to worry about vehicles--I have many to choose from. I may consider a new CLE53 (like mentioned above I have driven every AMG car on a race track so I may considered the CLE53) in the time between the buyback and the '27 S63. I have many vehicles to choose from that my insurance company had to sell me a second policy because their software did not have enough space to add all my cars on one policy So I do have other wheels but nothing can compare to an S63 for a daily driver (IMHO).
Like mentioned above. You never know--it is an awesome car for the MSRP of $40k (and it does have AWD for the winter fun up north)!Actually, I am not sure but thankfully I don't have to worry about vehicles--I have many to choose from. I may consider a new CLE53 (like mentioned above I have driven every AMG car on a race track so I may considered the CLE53) in the time between the buyback and the '27 S63. I have many vehicles to choose from that my insurance company had to sell me a second policy because their software did not have enough space to add all my cars on one policy
So I do have other wheels but nothing can compare to an S63 for a daily driver (IMHO).
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UPDATE--Ok I am going to give praise where it is due!
MBUSA made the quick decision to buy back my '25 S63 E Performance! Thanks MBUSA for the quick decision. I believe my long standing (35 years) purchasing behavior with MB and my long standing relationship with the dealer (29 years) where determining factors in the speed of the decision to buy back the car. While at the time I had requested a buy back from MBUSA, my dealer already had contacted the MB Zone Rep to get the Zone folks to help in the buy back. Loyalty to MB and to an MB dealer does have benefits! Thanks MBUSA and to my dealer for the quick decision. This is how true customer service should work! Can't wait to order the 2027 S63 (with the assumption that MB has removed the P3 Hybrid System in the 2027).
I started the process yesterday and I got the phone call today that they are buying the car back! 1.75 days from request to approval--awesome!
MBUSA made the quick decision to buy back my '25 S63 E Performance! Thanks MBUSA for the quick decision. I believe my long standing (35 years) purchasing behavior with MB and my long standing relationship with the dealer (29 years) where determining factors in the speed of the decision to buy back the car. While at the time I had requested a buy back from MBUSA, my dealer already had contacted the MB Zone Rep to get the Zone folks to help in the buy back. Loyalty to MB and to an MB dealer does have benefits! Thanks MBUSA and to my dealer for the quick decision. This is how true customer service should work! Can't wait to order the 2027 S63 (with the assumption that MB has removed the P3 Hybrid System in the 2027).
I started the process yesterday and I got the phone call today that they are buying the car back! 1.75 days from request to approval--awesome!
When my 1st X7 M60 (which we actually only drove for 1-week) was bought back, BMW also sent me $15K check towards my next car as long as it is a certified or new BMW from a BMW dealer valid anytime for a year. That was in exchange for waiting months for a car that didn't work for us (Engine issues, needed cylinder heads) after I had already traded our prev car. I was running on a 9 back-to-back of new or certified beemers just in the last 10 years alone. I surely used that check immediately when I got my next BMW. That was my first (and hopefully last) buyback experience. BMW sealed my loyalty and trust in them for many years to come.
It was even separate from any other discounts, loyalty credits, negotiations, that I can secure from my dealer through the normal buying/negotiation process. Dealer didn't even know about any of that by then or later.
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That’s a nice gesture BMW did for you.
I’m really intrigued about the new V8 in the same way I was intrigued about the all new straight-six Mercedes released. Newly designed engines tend to benefit from the lessons they learned in earlier design and are more reliable overall.
Does anyone know what will be the first model with the flat-plane V8? Will it be the refreshed S580 or is it already in other models and if so, which ones? I assume this new engine will eventually replace the 4.0 V8 in all models.
I’m really intrigued about the new V8 in the same way I was intrigued about the all new straight-six Mercedes released. Newly designed engines tend to benefit from the lessons they learned in earlier design and are more reliable overall.
Does anyone know what will be the first model with the flat-plane V8? Will it be the refreshed S580 or is it already in other models and if so, which ones? I assume this new engine will eventually replace the 4.0 V8 in all models.
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Bad experiences are the best opportunity for a company to really improve their reputation. This is a great example, you had a customer who was very upset and badmouthing MB and likely would never buy another one, and this simple gesture...which really doesn't cost them much...turned him back into a fan looking forward to his next MB.
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