Heisenberg

Anyone know if the C217 S63 is getting the same major updates as the W222 for 2018 ? The sedan gets the 4.0L V8TT with 9sp transmission, 4matic+, and the fullHD dash displays with next generation COMAND and self driving tech.

So far I've only read about the coupe getting revised bumpers and lights for MY18, making me think the new guts will be put off until MY19.

It's impressive they were able to meet or exceed the M157 output with the 4.0L V8TT, probably not much headroom left by the factory. I never did an ECU tune on my 5.5L as it was fast enough and didn't want to void the warranty.

haa

The coupe headlights and bumpers do not usually get refreshed in mid cycle. That would **** off a lot of the top end MB customers who just purchased the newly introduced 2017 S63 coupe cabriolet.

COOPERDB

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A friend who attended the recent

AMG school at Laguna Seca said

something about 2018 updates

for the C217 coupe but did not

explain what will be new...


Thank-You
D.B.


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Al E

I read somewhere that the 63 coupe would have the bars on the grill like the GT and would have over 600 hp. Can't remember where that I read it but it makes a lot of sense if the S 63 sedan gets a new engine so would the S 63 coupe.

jbattan

Yes, the C217/A217 pair will be getting the new M176/7/8 in various tunes as well as most of the other tech from the sedan. This is my bold but unfounded assertion. When is the question. Certainly after we'd like them to.

Heisenberg

I assume you mean the M176/177/178 ? They are killing off the M157. It's a great engine so likely is a victim of emission and tax policy.

No doubt the new engine is phenomenal. It needs to be as the the preceeding 5.5L V8 biturbo, 6.2L n/a, and 5.5L supercharged were all epic. The M177/178 with the most aggressive factory tune exceeds the rated M157 horsepower with similar peak torque. The inevitable loss of lower end torque resulting from reduced displacement may not be a good thing for a 2+ ton car used a daily driver, but no doubt it will be at least as fast 0-60mph and almost certainly faster at the 1/4 mile. Unlike the M157 there cannot be much headroom @ 600hp for aftermarket tuning. On the other hand, the lower powered variants as in the C series should be easy to boost.

I don't really care about the bumpers and lights, they look great on the current model. But the technology updates seem desirable. Sure would be nice if the 2015-2017 firmware could be updated to the new COMAND but chance of that is slim to none!

jbattan

Doh! Yes, I obviously mixed up my engine nomenclature. Edited to fix.

I agree with your comments.

haa

Yes, this scenario is more likely. In the past 3-4 generations of S coupes the cars did undergo engine and transmission and electronics/command updates but the external appearance was not refreshed during each model production. This is also partially due to economy of scale since Mercedes sells 90% less coupes than sedans so it does not make sense economically to spend the extra money on redesigning the appearance of the lights and stocking them with relatively small production numbers while it does make sense to update the parts that are shared between the sedan and the coupe such as the engine and transmission and command etc...

HAWKiS63

Few weeks ago the new Coupe (C217) already spotted with Panamerica grille:
http://blog.mercedes-benz-passion.co...ill-gesichtet/

The new Cabruilet (A217) also, but with standard grille:
http://blog.mercedes-benz-passion.co...e-modelpflege/

With new engines, Comand, driving assistance, etc.
Announcement probably IAA Frankfurt (september 2017), production 1 or 2 Quarters later?

Germancar1

A lot of misinformation here. The coupe and cabrio are being facelifted this time around too. There have been numerous spy shots showing them with new lights, bumpers, etc. Your economy is scale argument is just baseless. It cost them nothing to refresh bumpers and lights on a car like this. Hell if cost was an issue there would be no coupe in the first place. Any additional cost associated with the coupe is made up by it's much higher asking price. Bottom line the coupe and cabrio models will be facelifted inside and out just like the sedan. The previous CL was also facelifted also with new bumpers, lights etc. Not sure where you're getting this information from.

M

haa

You are absolutely correct. I did not realize the 2011 CL was facelifted as the appearance change on the 2011 S63 bumpers and headlights compared to the 2010 model was so minor that I did not even notice the difference.

Heisenberg

I was told at one point the substantive coupe and cabriolet update was planned for MY19, a year after the sedan. Has Mercedes/AMG actually confirmed the new drivetrain (4L V8TT, 9sp transmission) and revised instrument displays and COMAND for the C217/A217 for MY18? Or will the MY2018 just have the minor light and bumper changes ?

HAWKiS63

Here is your answer:

Heisenberg

So I took my MY15 today for annual maintenance, and to fix an annoying rattle from the rear deck. The latter required an overnight stay so I had a little more time with the E300 loaner.

I came away very impressed with the new tech goodies in the E, which I had not experienced in person before. The display is noticeably sharper with less glare. The new COMAND interface is gorgeous and so much more intuitive - it's easily the best infotainment system I have seen. And I liked the 9-sp transmission - it was very smooth and quite responsive with fast shifts in Sport modes, with no roughness or clunking.

A new safety feature I noticed - the car instantly goes into Park when you turn off the ignition, rather than Neutral... a few times, usually when I've been on the phone or otherwise distracted, I've come close to disaster when I turned off the ignition without putting it into Park first, and it started to roll. On my car, it takes a fairly firm press of the P button to get it into Park, too.

I'm still curious when the new tech will actually make it into production cars... from HAWKiS63's post, it seems the refresh will be shown in fall of 2017, with production commencing shortly thereafter, so maybe it will be an early MY19 release.

Wolfman

At minimum it will be MY19 but there is no posted launch schedule for 2018 like the other models.

HAWKiS63

And here the first pics of the new/facelifted S63 cabriolet (A217), with the same tech / engine as the just facelifted S63 sedan:

http://blog.mercedes-benz-passion.co...se-cabriolets/

Together with the S63 Coupe (C217) on display in September at IAA Frankfurt. so probably available Spring 2018.

HAWKiS63

And here the official teaser: http://mercedesblog.com/first-teaser...debuts-at-iaa/

jbattan

I'll be at IAA Cars '17 on the first press day when MB announce the new C217/A217 (plus the Hypercar!). They'll be giving me a tour of the entire MB hall too! I'll try to send y'all a debrief of my visit. Let me know if there are any questions in particular you want me to ask them about the A217 in particular.

Gojirra99

Another teaser :


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HAWKiS63

Thx for the additional video Apparantly different lights in the back (and in the front also probably?).

Good to hear, I will be there to on Thursday probably, but will be great to see the Maybach Vision 6 cabriolet also.

If you can ask about production start and price level (delta % compared to current model), that would be great. Due to the new 4.0L V8, the S63 probably will be cheaper compared to current 5,5L V8 over here (where there is an extensive tax penalty depending on CO2 emission level) .

And of course details about the new 9-speed MCT clutch (in the S63) are interesting to know (the good news it will be able to handle much more torque than the DCT clutch in the other 4.0L V8 AMG cars.

Ordering can be done from January 2018, as you can read here: http://blog.mercedes-benz-passion.co...-heckleuchten/ (BTW, upgraded infotainment NTG 6 will NOT be in this car, but also introduced January 2018)

WSH

Real question is if "new" MCT is any better than crappy/lemony MCT of past ~10yrs

Given 65's 7-speed tq cvtr autobox isn't competent (~4yrs post-launch) in smoothness/throttle response in routine urban driving (though vastly superior to 63's POS gearbox), I have serious doubts abt competence of AMG engineers in solving these basic issues....

But any competent driver can judge these relative ineptitudes in a <30mi test drive on suburban rds (@legal speeds) anywhere relevant in LA or SF....and compare vs Porsche 911TurboS' tq/PDK/throttle response in similar conditions, all in Sport mode

The 0-60 times, alleged trk times, etc are marketing drivel for those who can't drive, nor understand risk-adjusted performance in real-world (esp vs mockably ineptly-engineered 600+lb-ft cars w/hesitant throttle response/gearboxes in critical routine driving maneuvers in traffic)

Gojirra99

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jbattan

The press release:
http://media.daimler.com/marsMediaSi...l?oid=29102156

Heisenberg

Hmm not feeling the new grille or front bumper at all... latter looks more like the current S550 than S63 to me.

Also was hoping they would add sliding/tilting for the pano roof but seems to be the same fixed piece of glass with curtain.

COMAND and better displays and steering wheel controls look great.

I'll have to drive a '18 S63 sedan to see how I feel about the 4L engine and new 9-sp gearbox, compared to my '15 with 5.5L and 7-sp; I'll probably reserve a new coupe if the gearbox is significantly improved. If so I might look into an aftermarket body kit or at least front bumper.

jenz

Don't understand the lack of consistency

Why shouldn't the coupe/cab get the same 3 LED strip front and stardust rear light treatment