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Nice, it looks like you hit 60mph in 3.29 which is actually faster what Mercedes advertised.
I have ordered my new 2019 S63 to replace the car that I just had totalled. They told me I can expect delivery in April now - which is great, as they originally told me June. Is there a "Race Start" setting or option - or do you just press brake, then accelerator, then release brake?
Last night I did 3.29 seconds 0-60mph on winter tires and 28 degrees outside. I believe MB advertises 3.4 seconds 0-60 mph. I did use Race Start on my ‘19 S63.
That's aewsome. I am about to take deliver (in April) of my replacement 2019 S63. Can't wait!!
Is there a "Race Start" setting, or option - or do you just depress the brake, press the accelerator, then release the brake?
I didn't see a "Race Start" option anywhere on my original 2019 S63
Race start as you stated, depress brake and accelerator and release brake. It can be used in any driving dynamic as long as the vehicle is up to temperature otherwise it will not activate.
I have ordered my new 2019 S63 to replace the car that I just had totalled. They told me I can expect delivery in April now - which is great, as they originally told me June. Is there a "Race Start" setting or option - or do you just press brake, then accelerator, then release brake?
MBUSA response was to send to dealer to deal with any issue. This is the dealer's response after 2 weeks with my car: "The response from the AMG engineer was there are a lot of different factors that can be attributed in to getting these specific 0-60 times. Fuel used is generally 95 octane, outside temp and track temp, wheel spin, etc. These test basically are performed in excellent conditions on a closed course. At this time there is no other test or repairs that can be performed on your vehicle."\
What I don't get is how I was able to do the same time in the span of 3 months with changing variables, rain or shine. 560 4matic owners are going faster than my car
MBUSA response was to send to dealer to deal with any issue. This is the dealer's response after 2 weeks with my car: "The response from the AMG engineer was there are a lot of different factors that can be attributed in to getting these specific 0-60 times. Fuel used is generally 95 octane, outside temp and track temp, wheel spin, etc. These test basically are performed in excellent conditions on a closed course. At this time there is no other test or repairs that can be performed on your vehicle."\
What I don't get is how I was able to do the same time in the span of 3 months with changing variables, rain or shine. 560 4matic owners are going faster than my car
You are not using race start. Compare your 0-30 mph to the guy who posted the 3.29. Thats where the diff is, your 30-60mph is identical to his. Also the tech is absolutely right, if the engine is hot you are gonna get a DRASTIC loss of power output. Toggle the amg displaying hp/tq on the cluster and compare it to engine temp 180 to 215 degrees and you will see about a 100hp loss. Tech is also right about good numbers in perfect conditions. At a track you are waiting in line with engine off with ice on the intake. This is how you get max results...if you're expecting your car to do a 3.4sec 0-60 24hrs/365days, forget about it.
You are not using race start. Compare your 0-30 mph to the guy who posted the 3.29. Thats where the diff is, your 30-60mph is identical to his. Also the tech is absolutely right, if the engine is hot you are gonna get a DRASTIC loss of power output. Toggle the amg displaying hp/tq on the cluster and compare it to engine temp 180 to 215 degrees and you will see about a 100hp loss. Tech is also right about good numbers in perfect conditions. At a track you are waiting in line with engine off with ice on the intake. This is how you get max results...if you're expecting your car to do a 3.4sec 0-60 24hrs/365days, forget about it.
Race start was definitely used. I guarantee you that after months of 0-60, I would have learned to utilize race start. But achieving the SAME time over and over again over the course of months? I ran the car mildly warm and extra hot. I ran the car in the rain, in the 90+ degree weather the bay area had last week. I ran the car with 50 psi and 35 psi with hot tires. I ran the car with half tank, quarter tank. I also lost 2lbs by ****ting one morning and removed about 20lbs of gear, but I got the SAME time in all scenarios. I understand what the tech is saying. He isn't wrong, but those aren't excuses that I haven't covered and tested on my own. The car operated the same 4.6 time in 160 degree as it did in 222 degrees. If you advertise 3.4, I would expect you could get close to that number, not 1.2 second slower. Tenth of a second matters at these times and speed.
There isn't really any room for error on the driver's part using race start. You point and shoot. This isn't 2015 RS where you had to make damn sure everything is on, buttons pressed, TC sports on, wheel straight, and confirm you want to use RS. This is the current RS where you stomp, bring the revs up, release when you want, and go (obviously, you'll want to point straight with the wheel). The service manager got a hold of a 19 E63. Its advertised at 3.3. He was able to get 3.5 and 3.7 on his back road after work. Yeah he didn't get 3.3 as advertised because of everything you said above, you need "near perfect condition". But he was only ~.4 slower, reasonable as he isn't a F1 AMG racer, nor did he do it on the track, his road isn't paved with amg fairy dust, etc etc.
I expect the car to perform a little slower after the first or second run, just like my old heat soaked S55. This is different. This just sucks from the get go. Maybe my car is actually performing the 3.4 time but the AMG command is broken? They haven't explored that.
Race start was definitely used. I guarantee you that after months of 0-60, I would have learned to utilize race start. But achieving the SAME time over and over again over the course of months? I ran the car mildly warm and extra hot. I ran the car in the rain, in the 90+ degree weather the bay area had last week. I ran the car with 50 psi and 35 psi with hot tires. I ran the car with half tank, quarter tank. I also lost 2lbs by ****ting one morning and removed about 20lbs of gear, but I got the SAME time in all scenarios. I understand what the tech is saying. He isn't wrong, but those aren't excuses that I haven't covered and tested on my own. The car operated the same 4.6 time in 160 degree as it did in 222 degrees. If you advertise 3.4, I would expect you could get close to that number, not 1.2 second slower. Tenth of a second matters at these times and speed.
There isn't really any room for error on the driver's part using race start. You point and shoot. This isn't 2015 RS where you had to make damn sure everything is on, buttons pressed, TC sports on, wheel straight, and confirm you want to use RS. This is the current RS where you stomp, bring the revs up, release when you want, and go (obviously, you'll want to point straight with the wheel). The service manager got a hold of a 19 E63. Its advertised at 3.3. He was able to get 3.5 and 3.7 on his back road after work. Yeah he didn't get 3.3 as advertised because of everything you said above, you need "near perfect condition". But he was only ~.4 slower, reasonable as he isn't a F1 AMG racer, nor did he do it on the track, his road isn't paved with amg fairy dust, etc etc.
I expect the car to perform a little slower after the first or second run, just like my old heat soaked S55. This is different. This just sucks from the get go. Maybe my car is actually performing the 3.4 time but the AMG command is broken? They haven't explored that.
Your 0-30mph time is identical to mine and i have no race start available as car is under 1k miles.
So you're saying I have a broken slow car with race start. I already know that lol.
Im saying your power output after 30-60mph is correct, the problem is at launch. If you truly do have a problem, don't give up. Take it to another dealer and be persistent. You bought a 150k+ car and you should reap the full experience out of it.
Take the car to a dyno and have them ck power and runs then you will have hard data as to exactly where the problem lies. You will also then remove yourself as a possible error variable.
3.29 to 60 that is Fng insane in a car that big. Look at 0-60 for most performance cars that is a crazy number for a big sedan!!!!!
Yeah, I haven't done that yet but planned to as part of my documentation and providing evidence to AMG manager, per their request.
Seriously, 3.29 in this boat! Super jealous especially because we have the same car! By no means is 4.6 slow but god damnit for not being similar to other S63 owners.
You have an issue because I have you beat with a 15 s550 with a 91 octane Renntech tune. Try an iPhone app for reference. I will say I have to get into the revs and launch the car and it will spin the tires on 275's. No launch control on the s550 just my feet.
Roger that but since there is no codes or cel, dealers cannot do anything other than speculate and throw theories around. From mbusa website regarding a S560 4matic.
Acceleration
0-60 mph
4.5 sec
While we are on the topic of defeat, your S550 destroys my s63 in comfort. I bought the wrong car.
I have a 15 and that i why we didnt get the s63 although from what I hear the early ones were rougher all around. I hated it and would have gotten the E63 if my ego wasnt in the way.
I wonder if you being in CA and only using 91 vs the rest of the world getting 93-94? octane is making a difference. The reason I bring it up is when I got my tune the 93 vs the 91 is almost half the hp/tq. The car is pulling a lot of power out.
When I had my G550 I also had Renntech do it and it was not for 91. I would swear sometimes the thing was slower. One day before a trip to Palm Springs I threw in some octane boost. The truck came alive and the hesitation I had was gone and it was just a blast. If I didnt sell the truck they were going to refresh for me.
There has to be a difference when they test cars with 91 vs 93 and like you said they are controlling every variable to get that number for publications.
Finally able to achieve something better than 4.61. Dealer stated race start was not working properly and would cut out right before launching the car. They got better times once they were able to figure that out. The 3.6 time is at 4k RPM. I think the default is 3500. The time was confirmed to be correct due to heat soaking the engine with prior runs and an outside temp in the high 90s. I think better time can be achieved now with better temps and maybe even adding higher octane.
Great that you finally have this working. Even though I had a 3.29 seconds in 0-60mph my most recent was 3.59 seconds so you are golden atleast from what I would expect your car to do.
Originally Posted by sakodik
Finally able to achieve something better than 4.61. Dealer stated race start was not working properly and would cut out right before launching the car. They got better times once they were able to figure that out. The 3.6 time is at 4k RPM. I think the default is 3500. The time was confirmed to be correct due to heat soaking the engine with prior runs and an outside temp in the high 90s. I think better time can be achieved now with better temps and maybe even adding higher octane.
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I am having the exact issue your having, tried it many times and cannot get better than 4.6 sec. My car is a 18 S63 4matic with less than 5000 km, i tried enabling and accelerating with race mode but cannot get better than 4.6 sec. I live in Cambodia by the way, could you tell me how you had it fixed? thanks
I am having the exact issue your having, tried it many times and cannot get better than 4.6 sec. My car is a 18 S63 4matic with less than 5000 km, i tried enabling and accelerating with race mode but cannot get better than 4.6 sec. I live in Cambodia by the way, could you tell me how you had it fixed? thanks
As others already pointed out, gas quality has a lot to do with the performance of these cars.
It's a given that cars in Commiefornia have lower performance vs cars in more "normal" states, simply because of poor octane rating.
What's the situation with gasoline in Cambodia?
Do you have access to race gasoline at all?
If not, try the octane booster to improve the rating.
02-27-2019, 02:18 PM
