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Old 05-23-2016, 06:09 PM
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anyone see this from Powerhaus performance? this was on a mustang dyno so dynojet whp figure should be above +720... the weistec W3 package is what they are calling competitors that made 538whp on their mustang dyno, so they made +104whp over the W3 kit.... and best part is pricing... read on boost sites that price was 6,999 with 2 week wait time

the owner of the car is saying 60-130 about 6.5,,,, for reference tuned 60-130 is about 7.8, so at 6.5 that upgrade seems to be putting down some major power over a tune


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Old 05-23-2016, 06:23 PM
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google "Powerhaus Performance claims their M157 (W212 E63 AMG) twin turbo upgrade picks up over 100 wheel horsepower on a competitor's turbo upgrade at same boost" if you want to read more on boost site and see quite a bit of negative comments on experiences with weistec and their bulletproof trans not being so bulletproof... looks like its slipping in this setup
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Am I seeing things or is the intake box flexing in under WOT?
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Originally Posted by gaspam
google "Powerhaus Performance claims their M157 (W212 E63 AMG) twin turbo upgrade picks up over 100 wheel horsepower on a competitor's turbo upgrade at same boost" if you want to read more on boost site and see quite a bit of negative comments on experiences with weistec and their bulletproof trans not being so bulletproof... looks like its slipping in this setup
Sometimes I feel like some aftermarket upgraded parts are simply different parts made to hold more power than whatever the old part used to. Not necessarily hold more power than stock. So an upgraded clutch holds more power than the ones in a mustang due to difference in materials, however in the MB (which holds more stock power output), its really a replacement part that may not even be as good as OEM
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Am I seeing things or is the intake box flexing in under WOT?
definitely looks like the upper intake boxes are getting sucked inward under boost
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That's the shop that tuned my car. I saw that E63 when I was there.. That thing is a beast! The guys there really know their stuff and they work on a lot of high end cars.
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Just to let you know, good stage 2 software allows your car to reach 6.2-6.4s in 100-200 km/p. Which is 62-130mph. This what I have I my car. Stage 2 + will cut time further.
Stage 1+ (including tcu update ) takes you to 6.6s mark in 100-200km/h . Results from e63amg s 4matic

They should measure their st3 on face lifted version. Stock non facelift I think goes on 9.3s 100-200.

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Old 05-24-2016, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by dav461
Just to let you know, good stage 2 software allows your car to reach 6.2-6.4s in 100-200 km/p. Which is 62-130mph. This what I have I my car. Stage 2 + will cut time further.
Stage 1+ (including tcu update ) takes you to 6.6s mark in 100-200km/h . Results from e63amg s 4matic

They should measure their st3 on face lifted version. Stock non facelift I think goes on 9.3s 100-200.
and which company is this that tunes the 4matics 63S?
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what the deal will weistec bulletproof ? mine is coming this week . I didn't see any negative posts about it
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Originally Posted by Fairbird
what the deal will weistec bulletproof ? mine is coming this week . I didn't see any negative posts about it

read post #4 - weistec v2 bullet proof trans with 1000 miles n already slipping on top of fifth huge fail

# 12- It's a shame why people stay quiet about it,I know of minimum 5 cars with their trans having issues n two r in ny

# 13- Yea man the V2 trans is a total fail. I have it on my stage 3 c63 and its just barely fine on the standard 67mm pulley but slips with the 60mm pulley which is ridiculous as its not making that much torque its just a bad design. Guys there wont even answer the phone after dumping all that money on there products. Not to mention they still owe me a refund from my CLA45 tune that was surging all over the place and had to flash back to stock after 2 weeks. They haven't refunded the money and its been like 6 months. Anyone who hands over there pagani to let them tune it is out of there mind.

# 14 - Interesting ive been having issues launching off the line my 60ft times are terrible since upgrading to the stage 3 maybe its the trans
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Originally Posted by dav461
Just to let you know, good stage 2 software allows your car to reach 6.2-6.4s in 100-200 km/p. Which is 62-130mph. This what I have I my car. Stage 2 + will cut time further.
Stage 1+ (including tcu update ) takes you to 6.6s mark in 100-200km/h . Results from e63amg s 4matic

They should measure their st3 on face lifted version. Stock non facelift I think goes on 9.3s 100-200.
100-200km/h is not 62 -130mph ... its 62- 124 mph.... and 6.5 sec 100-200km/h = 7.9 sec 60-130 mph (see link below post #2, #20 and #29) , so still way behind the 6.5 this turbo upgrade is claiming

https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...mph-times.html

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Originally Posted by gaspam
read post #4 - weistec v2 bullet proof trans with 1000 miles n already slipping on top of fifth huge fail

# 12- It's a shame why people stay quiet about it,I know of minimum 5 cars with their trans having issues n two r in ny

# 13- Yea man the V2 trans is a total fail. I have it on my stage 3 c63 and its just barely fine on the standard 67mm pulley but slips with the 60mm pulley which is ridiculous as its not making that much torque its just a bad design. Guys there wont even answer the phone after dumping all that money on there products. Not to mention they still owe me a refund from my CLA45 tune that was surging all over the place and had to flash back to stock after 2 weeks. They haven't refunded the money and its been like 6 months. Anyone who hands over there pagani to let them tune it is out of there mind.

# 14 - Interesting ive been having issues launching off the line my 60ft times are terrible since upgrading to the stage 3 maybe its the trans
all that about 722.6 or 722.9 ? all that makes me want get back to the VAG , seems like RS7 FTW .will see , I should get the car back on the road this week
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all that about 722.6 or 722.9 ? all that makes me want get back to the VAG , seems like RS7 FTW .will see , I should get the car back on the road this week
722.9
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If you have ever seen the turbine wheel of a stock turbo, there is no doubt that the exhaust side needs work. No way it flows enough up top to make serious power. It's kind of criminal that people put a $100 billet wheel on a stock turbo and want to charge 8K. Good to see more options. Any idea on the cost?

Side not, the also added meth to that car, so there is a huge timing bump they can add there. Even a few degrees means 30-50whp on a boosted car.
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If you have ever seen the turbine wheel of a stock turbo, there is no doubt that the exhaust side needs work. No way it flows enough up top to make serious power. It's kind of criminal that people put a $100 billet wheel on a stock turbo and want to charge 8K. Good to see more options. Any idea on the cost?

Side not, the also added meth to that car, so there is a huge timing bump they can add there. Even a few degrees means 30-50whp on a boosted car.
$6,999 and from what i understand tune timing was not modified for meth

they said they also gained another 20-30whp (over the +100whp the turbos/ meth made) when they did a second race tune for Ms109, so that would tell me the 93oct+meth tune was not advancing timing much if they were able to pickup 20-30 more on race gas since 93+meth= about 110 oct and you wouldnt pick up any power really if you were already advancing the timing on the 93+meth mixture over race gas
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$6,999 and from what i understand tune timing was not modified for meth

they said they also gained another 20-30whp (over the +100whp the turbos/ meth made) when they did a second race tune for Ms109, so that would tell me the 93oct+meth tune was not advancing timing much if they were able to pickup 20-30 more on race gas since 93+meth= about 110 oct and you wouldnt pick up any power really if you were already advancing the timing on the 93+meth mixture over race gas
My car gained ~100hp with race gas tune over pump gas tune. Meth injection for both. Gad turbos.
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Any real world result from anybody ? Don't see anything besides pricing and power numbers
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6999 and he retune the computer too or you have to put a custom
tune on it ?
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6999 and he retune the computer too or you have to put a custom
tune on it ?
Tune is extra
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Originally Posted by dav461
Just to let you know, good stage 2 software allows your car to reach 6.2-6.4s in 100-200 km/p. Which is 62-130mph. This what I have I my car. Stage 2 + will cut time further.
Stage 1+ (including tcu update ) takes you to 6.6s mark in 100-200km/h . Results from e63amg s 4matic

They should measure their st3 on face lifted version. Stock non facelift I think goes on 9.3s 100-200.
Which tune is doing that well? When you say stage 1/2 are you talking about differences in only software or do you mean adding downpipes with tune?

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