Carbon ceramic brake downgrade
01-11-2018, 06:11 PM
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Carbon ceramic brake downgrade
Hi there, I’ve been looking through the forum and would like to know if anyone has downgraded from carbon ceramics to steel brake system. Is it an easy thing to do? I assume a straight caliper and rotor replacement, wasn’t sure if the mounting points or such are different too. Thanks for your input.
01-15-2018, 09:35 AM
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Hi there, I’ve been looking through the forum and would like to know if anyone has downgraded from carbon ceramics to steel brake system. Is it an easy thing to do? I assume a straight caliper and rotor replacement, wasn’t sure if the mounting points or such are different too. Thanks for your input.
01-15-2018, 11:54 PM
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actually was looking to buy a car with carbon ceramics and was trying to figure out what my options were when the wear out. The pricing to replace is crazy.
01-17-2018, 01:57 AM
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Aren't they rated for something like 120,000 miles or something like that? I heard with the exotics they're pretty much considered a lifetime part. Maybe if you use them like crazy they wear out quicker but I see what you mean on the replacement price, OUCH!!!
01-17-2018, 02:00 PM
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I know a guy who pulled ceramic brakes off his GT3 and put steel on it. Cheaper to run/service and when it's time to sell, the new ceramic stuff goes back on. Oh, he races an EVO rally car too so I'm sure he understands what he is doing.
01-18-2018, 09:19 AM
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It's rather comon in the Porsche world for the owners to swap to irons. Those types are tracking the cars often, for a track scenario they carbons do wear out and are quite costly to replace or service. On a street car that might see a race track once or twice a year if that? Not as much an issue IMO. Most the available data agrees with a 100k service life on the rotors for street use. Naturally many cars equipped the carbon ceramic brakes are "sports cars" so there is a larger group of owners racing. Typically, you don't see many 5000# sedans as regular track cars.
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01-20-2018, 06:56 AM
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The cost of CCBs is probably around 4x higher than steel brakes. On the other hand, they should last at least 4x longer. So what's the advantage of downgrading?
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01-20-2018, 08:47 PM
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It's rather comon in the Porsche world for the owners to swap to irons. Those types are tracking the cars often, for a track scenario they carbons do wear out and are quite costly to replace or service. On a street car that might see a race track once or twice a year if that? Not as much an issue IMO. Most the available data agrees with a 100k service life on the rotors for street use. Naturally many cars equipped the carbon ceramic brakes are "sports cars" so there is a larger group of owners racing. Typically, you don't see many 5000# sedans as regular track cars.
With that in mind, it’s not surprising that Porsche owners replace their PCCB system with steel brakes. There are a wide range of aftermarket options available in addition to OEM, and the replacement cost is quite a bit less than the Mercedes OEM steel brake costs. I have PCCB on my GTS and really like them, with one complaint, they are kind of grabby and don’t have the foot feel that steel brakes offer. For a primarily street driven car, I’d go CCB but for a track car I would definitely go steel.
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01-20-2018, 10:09 PM
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Racing Brake can chemically resurface your carbon rotors for a tiny fraction of the cost. I think their going rate is $450 or something like that. Shoot them an email ...
01-25-2018, 06:12 PM
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I checked with Racing brake, they can't retreat OEM rotors, but there are steel ones for $1800 a pair so there is a reasonable solution when these are done, they are compatible with the current callers and pads. Thanks for the contact.
02-03-2020, 11:22 AM
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C63 T-model with PP, E63s T-model
Hello guys, just some time ago I did find small dent / chip in one of my front rotors (in the middle of the circle), I am not tracking the car, is just my daily car since june 2019, in the last 8 months did 27K km 
Is 2015 E63s T-model, out of warranty, so now looking for the best solution, was reading this forum for a while and searching all „CCB“ threads.
I am servicing the car only at my local well know MB dealership, but as with the price of CCB, maybe will be able to goth them somewhere cheaper.
Any idea about this, or maybe link to useful thread which I don’t find yet , for MB parts good deals ?
Thank you.
Is 2015 E63s T-model, out of warranty, so now looking for the best solution, was reading this forum for a while and searching all „CCB“ threads.
I am servicing the car only at my local well know MB dealership, but as with the price of CCB, maybe will be able to goth them somewhere cheaper.
Any idea about this, or maybe link to useful thread which I don’t find yet , for MB parts good deals ?
Thank you.
02-03-2020, 12:28 PM
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Hello guys, just some time ago I did find small dent / chip in one of my front rotors (in the middle of the circle), I am not tracking the car, is just my daily car since june 2019, in the last 8 months did 27K km
Is 2015 E63s T-model, out of warranty, so now looking for the best solution, was reading this forum for a while and searching all „CCB“ threads.
I am servicing the car only at my local well know MB dealership, but as with the price of CCB, maybe will be able to goth them somewhere cheaper.
Any idea about this, or maybe link to useful thread which I don’t find yet , for MB parts good deals ?
Thank you.
Is 2015 E63s T-model, out of warranty, so now looking for the best solution, was reading this forum for a while and searching all „CCB“ threads.
I am servicing the car only at my local well know MB dealership, but as with the price of CCB, maybe will be able to goth them somewhere cheaper.
Any idea about this, or maybe link to useful thread which I don’t find yet , for MB parts good deals ?
Thank you.
02-03-2020, 12:59 PM
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Hi, try these guys www.rebrake.de .. they could help. If you do, please let me know!
so not sure mine will be good with this, anyway wort to send them a email anyway...
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02-04-2020, 01:43 AM
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Racingbrake makes a conversion to go from CCB rotors to iron.
https://www.racingbrake.com/ProductD...oductCode=2601
https://www.racingbrake.com/ProductD...oductCode=2601
02-04-2020, 03:59 AM
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Racingbrake makes a conversion to go from CCB rotors to iron.
https://www.racingbrake.com/ProductD...oductCode=2601
https://www.racingbrake.com/ProductD...oductCode=2601
Do NOT buy these rotors, the Open vents will crack
I would give ZERO stars if it were possible. Do NOT use their vented / drilled rotors for anything more than mild driving. These rotors crack with even mild spirited driving on a 2016 VW Golf R using moderate track pads and a couple of laps at a HPDE. RB promised to make it right with a refund and then stopped answering calls or emails. VW / Audi Haldex system uses an electronic front diff and the front brakes to control for understeer which creates heat. Beware, do not use a vented / drilled rotor for more than only mild daily driving, you will crack these rotors and RB will string you along for months, asking for more and more photos, brake pad specifications and then do nothing for you. Nada. Buyer Beware. Zero Customer Service from these guys and they will not remove the product from their sales page. You have been warned, bad product, even worse customer service.
02-05-2020, 10:58 AM
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Yes know about this, thank you, but also find this comment in this link of the same company: https://www.racingbrake.com/RB-Iron-...for-p/2497.htmJanuary 24, 2019
Do NOT buy these rotors, the Open vents will crack
I would give ZERO stars if it were possible. Do NOT use their vented / drilled rotors for anything more than mild driving. These rotors crack with even mild spirited driving on a 2016 VW Golf R using moderate track pads and a couple of laps at a HPDE. RB promised to make it right with a refund and then stopped answering calls or emails. VW / Audi Haldex system uses an electronic front diff and the front brakes to control for understeer which creates heat. Beware, do not use a vented / drilled rotor for more than only mild daily driving, you will crack these rotors and RB will string you along for months, asking for more and more photos, brake pad specifications and then do nothing for you. Nada. Buyer Beware. Zero Customer Service from these guys and they will not remove the product from their sales page. You have been warned, bad product, even worse customer service.
02-05-2020, 11:07 AM
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I see, I was hoping they are able to fix cracks or missing pieces.
04-13-2020, 11:40 AM
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reviving this thread, looks like racingbrake does not offer the conversion any more? Does anyone else have an update for a cheaper option for CCB replacement, ie cheaper rotors or cheaper steel swap?
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04-27-2020, 01:11 PM
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I recently purchased a used 2014 E63 S AMG wagon that came with the B07 carbon ceramic brake option. Currently, they look like they have plenty of life left, but I know they will be quite expensive when it comes time to replace them. Do you know if your 390mm front and 360mm rear steel brake option for the SLS will fit the E63 wagon? It looks like the carbon ceramic rotors for MB fits many of their cars that have the CCB option, I would think that any aftermarket options that fit one of those models, would be good for another, or am I incorrect? Additionally, I'm assuming if I changed from CCB to steel, I'd need to change the pad material as well, is that true?
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Matt,Thanks for getting in touch, actually just recently developed rotors for the CCM cars. If you can shoot me over you Vin if you can so I can double check the part numbers and get back to you with details on everything.
Thanks!
Mike Owen
Girodisc Racing Brakes
3886 Hammer Dr.
Bellingham, WA 98226
Office: 360-306-3263 ext. 103
Fax: 360-306-3264
I've since supplied my vin to them - just awaiting their reply.
04-29-2020, 05:39 AM
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I reached out to Giro Disc a couple weeks ago too, good people. Mike is a car nut like most of us. I've been to their facility, I live nearby. 1st class operation.
I'm also waiting on a reply back.
I'm also waiting on a reply back.
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04-29-2020, 04:29 PM
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