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Old 06-18-2018, 10:40 AM
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Russian Street Race Videos: E63S vs F90 M5- Good Comparos!!

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About as even as it gets with jumper taking the lead.


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I think at this point its safe to say the two of them are about equal. There is no faster or slower car, just different styles.
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I think at this point its safe to say the two of them are about equal. There is no faster or slower car, just different styles.
agreed...seems the Bmw always gets a good launch and the benz seems to reel it in... then the Bmw pulls a bit harder

about equal.
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agreed...seems the Bmw always gets a good launch and the benz seems to reel it in... then the Bmw pulls a bit harder

about equal.
But the E63 has a passenger while bmw only has the driver.

My guess is with just driver alone in both the E63 pulls a bit harder actually
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But the E63 has a passenger while bmw only has the driver.

My guess is with just driver alone in both the E63 pulls a bit harder actually
We cant prove there wasnt one in the M5 can we??

To me there was one and that person was filming from the M...there are zoom in motions and its not 100% stable.
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Great real-life comparo, well with the exception of the masked drivers, I suppose that’s russian style speeding and avoiding the cameras to ID them
BMW is a bit quicker from the get-go apart from getting jumped a couple of times but the MB has a little extra on the top.
Quite even on the street.
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We cant prove there wasnt one in the M5 can we??

To me there was one and that person was filming from the M...there are zoom in motions and its not 100% stable.
true I think I stand corrected. It appears the m5 also had a passenger.

I would say overall the m5 seems a slight bit faster than the e63s.
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i actually understand russian so....they said M5 is superior in every aspect except exhaust system. M5 is just super quiet and even russians don't like that and recommend after market exhaust right away.
Their point to put M5 on the top was M5 'character' is much better and M5 performs as a true driver car .
I always liked M and would go with M again if BMW will make M5 wagon!
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i actually understand russian so....they said M5 is superior in every aspect except exhaust system. M5 is just super quiet and even russians don't like that and recommend after market exhaust right away.
Their point to put M5 on the top was M5 'character' is much better and M5 performs as a true driver car .
I always liked M and would go with M again if BMW will make M5 wagon!
But what gives the M5 more character? Its not really explaining what the M5 can do that the E63s is lacking?

One thing the video shows is for straight line speed they are the same thing.
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I’ve driven both cars now for about a week each and in my humble opinion, there is no way the M5 has more character. In fact, that’s probably my only criticism (that and no touring version) of the M5.
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I’ve driven both cars now for about a week each and in my humble opinion, there is no way the M5 has more character. In fact, that’s probably my only criticism (that and no touring version) of the M5.
Most seem to say like you, E63 is more exciting.

Do you mind letting us know some of the differences you experienced and pros and cons of each?
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The E63s has more character when cruising or driving 5/10th. Up to 5/10th the M5 has no character and feels like a daily commuter. After 5/10th the E63 becomes more of a handful and feels quite large and heavy while the M5 wakes up and the character of the car shines through. It pushes you to brake later, accelerate earlier it honestly feels like a full blown sports car. Either way they are both great cars that have the same straight line acceleration. I will say the E63s launch control is 100 x easier to use while the M5s makes it so complicated that its just easier to brake launch it.
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Most seem to say like you, E63 is more exciting.

Do you mind letting us know some of the differences you experienced and pros and cons of each?
Not at all:

M5:

Overall summary: A superb all rounder that if it did a touring version, would be above the E63 for everything other than engine sound and character (inc design).

Very comfortable ride in all modes. Comfort was a joy, Sport+ firmer but didn’t feel like a sports car, a bit of body roll which I was surprised by

Extremely fast but didn’t seem to really open up until I’d got the revs past 5,000 and by that point I was nearing the speed limit so the real potential of the car felt somewhat wasted. It was fast, real fast but it was so smooth it almost passed me by. When you got into high revs, the whole car transformed but it almost felt like it needed more torque early on which I know it has but subjectively it didn’t feel that way.

Engine - quite good but even with Sports Exhaust, it lacked character and I was a bit disappointed.

Steering felt very light and easy, not as much feel as I would like or heavy enough for me but it cornered superbly and to be honest, it was a dream to drive - did not feel heavy at all.

Outside design I felt a bit cold, not a great deal different to a 5 series so wasn’t inspiring.

Inside, much nicer and they really have stepped up a gear. Lovely seats and leather. Display is nice and modern etc.

Technology wise, super awesome. The infotainment system is well ahead of Merc and I loved the little touches like being able to tweak the transmission on the gear stick.

E63:

A wild beast that you just want to keep getting out to try and tame. Visceral experience that never gets dull.

Ride comfort is the biggest let down on this car. It’s harsh, no matter what people say, on UK roads, it’s rough and you feel it. It should be more comfortable in comfort with air suspension.

Speed wise, right up my street, loads of torque and power in low revs, it’s perfect for my type of driving where I’ve got to be careful of speed limit and need sharp acceleration in low speeds.

Engine - need I say anything? It’s the best in the business, what a noise, what a character!

Steering is heavy and I like that though my wife complained that her arms got tired after a while and it was a bit of a pain for her.

In terms of handling, again superb, especially for a Estate car but of course you do feel that length and weight.

Design - absolutely fantastic, streets ahead of the M5 for me, outside and inside. I love the Estate look and the interior looks classy.

Tech wise, not as great as the M5. COMAND is not as quick or slick as iDrive and not as many features or cool bits to it. I’ve also yet to see a better Sat Nav than on the BMW.

Practicality - a big one for me, massive and huge boot means happy wife and kids! Big tick!!!

In summary - the BMW probably is the better all rounder and more complete car for every occasion. But it’s not a Estate, it’s a bit dull to look at and it lacks character for me.

Hope that helps? The M5 was a super awesome car and in different circumstances, the perfect car for me, just not right now!


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Thanks that was helpful. As per your review, it’s nice that your trying to be nice to Bmw saying the m5 is better all around, but from the sound of it the e63s seems to be more fun, and a level up from the m5.
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Don't forget, if you are into audio, the Burmester 3D is way better than the BMW offering. So I hear..... That is one of my FAVE features of the E63. It is that good!
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Don't forget, if you are into audio, the Burmester 3D is way better than the BMW offering. So I hear..... That is one of my FAVE features of the E63. It is that good!
Thats a good point, I agree and my wife noted that too and she is quite an audiophile
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Did you have the high end 3D version in the car you drove? Speakers in the ceiling? Most dealer stock cars do not have that feature. The standard Burmester is pretty good, the 3d version is off the chain. I have a recording studio in my basement and have worked professionally in the music biz. This feature is super important if you like immersive music. Congrats on the crazy audiophile wife!! Lucky guy.


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Thats a good point, I agree and my wife noted that too and she is quite an audiophile
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Did you have the high end 3D version in the car you drove? Speakers in the ceiling? Most dealer stock cars do not have that feature. The standard Burmester is pretty good, the 3d version is off the chain. I have a recording studio in my basement and have worked professionally in the music biz. This feature is super important if you like immersive music. Congrats on the crazy audiophile wife!! Lucky guy.
Thanks, we got to hear the 3D version in my friend’s car. He is pretty well off and has an array of cars and was the first stop when I started looking at Mercs and AMG’s. You are right, it is off the chain!
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It is even better when set correctly. When VIP seating is enabled for the driver, the 3D algorithm sounds artificial and not so good..... Turning off the VIP seating made a huge difference and now the 3D mode is like PURE mode but with more air. Has all the impact that is lost when in VIP seating mode. Fwiw, the VIP seating for driver is the default setting. Took me a few weeks to discover how much better it is with that off.
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It is even better when set correctly. When VIP seating is enabled for the driver, the 3D algorithm sounds artificial and not so good..... Turning off the VIP seating made a huge difference and now the 3D mode is like PURE mode but with more air. Has all the impact that is lost when in VIP seating mode. Fwiw, the VIP seating for driver is the default setting. Took me a few weeks to discover how much better it is with that off.
Appreciate this info. I compared the Audi B&O to the Burmester standard and B&O is far better so the only option is the High End 3D Burmester for me. I had issues finding it over 3K better than the B&O in the 17 A4 (800-900 option) or 17 R8 (almost same systems) perhaps disabling this VIP seating is what I needed to do.

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ok back to our regular scheduled program--- the races....
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ok back to our regular scheduled program--- the races....
Would be interesting to see Dodge Demon with them. I've never owned a Dodge or plan to but you have to give them credit http://media.fcanorthamerica.com/newsrelease.do?id=18241&mid=1 that's a lot of "firsts" and records.

I am still going back and forth about M5 but I'm 99% sure on the E63 only thing keeping me thinking of M5 was what I thought was better audio B&W vs Burmester and the current residual and MF but negated if they are asking MSRP or near it.

The races were great I work with many Russians and we have spread out 150-200 of them in the company most of them are "crazy" in a fun way. So I laughed quite a bit in this video while I enjoyed seeing both cars so evenly racing.

Thanks for posting this.

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ok back to our regular scheduled program--- the races....
So back to my earlier question, some people are saying the M5 is the better "drivers" car while the E63 has more "character/soul" with about having about the same straight line acceleration. E63 seems a little stronger on top, while M5 gets off the line a little stronger (oddly enough this used to be the opposite roll in the past with AMGs always having more low end torque, while M cars had stronger higher RPM power)

Im just curious what does one do that the other cant do?

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I’ve just done a long drive in the E63 and can say the M5 is easier to drive and less taxing physically.

The steering is massively lighter and more nimble. My arms actually ached from the drive which was about 2 hours.

I honestly think the M5 is a better all round car, nicer for passengers and more comfortable but definitely doesn’t have as much character as the E63.

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