Bigger Turbos in facelift?
09-28-2018, 04:33 AM
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Bigger Turbos in facelift?
Hi,
I was watching this youtube clip of the facelifted C43,
, in it he starts a reasoning around 18:30 and onward, about the fact that the new C43 has newer bigger Turbos?
I haven't seen that mentioned before, I always assumed that the HP increase was due to tuning, but he specifically says it's not?
I'm curious if others knows anything about this, and how it might affect tuning?
I haven't seen any tuners with tunes for the facelifted C43 yet.
I was watching this youtube clip of the facelifted C43,
I haven't seen that mentioned before, I always assumed that the HP increase was due to tuning, but he specifically says it's not?
I'm curious if others knows anything about this, and how it might affect tuning?
I haven't seen any tuners with tunes for the facelifted C43 yet.
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09-28-2018, 11:18 AM
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I have read other publications saying they are getting new turbos but imo it is just marketing I don't believe it.
Glad we some proof in that conversation
Glad we some proof in that conversation
09-28-2018, 01:45 PM
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mbusa website must leaked it earlier today or they took it down now cus info is incorrect.
it showing 2019 c43 have the same HP and torque as current model. 362hp, 384 torque. same grill like before. c300, 2 blade. c43 with diamond blade just like currently.
comes standard Android Auto and Apple Carply. wireless charging as optional.
it showing 2019 c43 have the same HP and torque as current model. 362hp, 384 torque. same grill like before. c300, 2 blade. c43 with diamond blade just like currently.
comes standard Android Auto and Apple Carply. wireless charging as optional.
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09-28-2018, 04:28 PM
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All press releases back in March were quoting bigger turbos from MB.
https://jalopnik.com/the-2019-merced...bas-1823519876
https://jalopnik.com/the-2019-merced...bas-1823519876
09-29-2018, 09:00 AM
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https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/mer...saloon-estate/
If you scroll down the page, it says, "The V6 biturbo engine boasts a high power output combined with low fuel consumption and emissions. The high power output is in part courtesy of separate, larger turbochargers (max. charge pressure 1.1 bar). Installed close to the engine, the two turbochargers are especially spontaneous in their response. The AMG power unit can be identified by the engine cover with red aluminium insert and AMG lettering."
If you scroll down the page, it says, "The V6 biturbo engine boasts a high power output combined with low fuel consumption and emissions. The high power output is in part courtesy of separate, larger turbochargers (max. charge pressure 1.1 bar). Installed close to the engine, the two turbochargers are especially spontaneous in their response. The AMG power unit can be identified by the engine cover with red aluminium insert and AMG lettering."
09-29-2018, 07:47 PM
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https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/mer...saloon-estate/
If you scroll down the page, it says, "The V6 biturbo engine boasts a high power output combined with low fuel consumption and emissions. The high power output is in part courtesy of separate, larger turbochargers (max. charge pressure 1.1 bar). Installed close to the engine, the two turbochargers are especially spontaneous in their response. The AMG power unit can be identified by the engine cover with red aluminium insert and AMG lettering."
If you scroll down the page, it says, "The V6 biturbo engine boasts a high power output combined with low fuel consumption and emissions. The high power output is in part courtesy of separate, larger turbochargers (max. charge pressure 1.1 bar). Installed close to the engine, the two turbochargers are especially spontaneous in their response. The AMG power unit can be identified by the engine cover with red aluminium insert and AMG lettering."
09-29-2018, 08:30 PM
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https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/mer...saloon-estate/
If you scroll down the page, it says, "The V6 biturbo engine boasts a high power output combined with low fuel consumption and emissions. The high power output is in part courtesy of separate, larger turbochargers (max. charge pressure 1.1 bar). Installed close to the engine, the two turbochargers are especially spontaneous in their response. The AMG power unit can be identified by the engine cover with red aluminium insert and AMG lettering."
If you scroll down the page, it says, "The V6 biturbo engine boasts a high power output combined with low fuel consumption and emissions. The high power output is in part courtesy of separate, larger turbochargers (max. charge pressure 1.1 bar). Installed close to the engine, the two turbochargers are especially spontaneous in their response. The AMG power unit can be identified by the engine cover with red aluminium insert and AMG lettering."
09-30-2018, 08:30 AM
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as somebody who specializes in marine Diesel engines for a living, let me be the first to tell you that just because a part number is different does not guarantee that the items are different sizes/specs.
09-30-2018, 03:33 PM
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The only way anyone will know with certainty is to get their hands on both sets of turbos and be able to verify if there are any changes to the model/series designation on the id plate on the compressor housing. And that isn't going to happen for a while given that the 19's are just barely trickling out to the public at this point.
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09-30-2018, 09:39 PM
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This is quite true for a Mercedes part number, but always true for the turbo manufacturer's part numbers. Actually a different part number for a turbo manufacturer means that there is indeed some structural change to the turbo. It isn't just being "bigger" that could be making more power. I have yet to see anything on what family the IHI turbos are in the C43 through 2018 (RH series, J series, K series?). From the looks, the layout is RHF series, but someone else can probably confirm. IHI makes literally hundreds of different models within the same family, even on the same application. They do it in the marine realm for Yamaha. The turbo may look the same, but the internal architecture on the compressor side or even the turbine side can make significant differences. Even slight changes in compressor housing, wheels, etc. can make significant differences in the capability of a turbo.
The only way anyone will know with certainty is to get their hands on both sets of turbos and be able to verify if there are any changes to the model/series designation on the id plate on the compressor housing. And that isn't going to happen for a while given that the 19's are just barely trickling out to the public at this point.
The only way anyone will know with certainty is to get their hands on both sets of turbos and be able to verify if there are any changes to the model/series designation on the id plate on the compressor housing. And that isn't going to happen for a while given that the 19's are just barely trickling out to the public at this point.
I just trust logic more, which is what prompted me to ask that question on IG in the 1st place. There is no reason MB would add different turbos onto C43/2019 C43/ E43 when they all basically make the same horsepower and they are replacing the engine within a year. This should be especially true in the 2019 C43 since the non-EQ Boost Inline 6 is already on sale. Also all of these engines make exactly the same amount of torque at roughly the same or exactly the same RPMS. which is highly suspect if they are different turbos.
Also, the only E43 Dyno information I have ever found was a video from AMR which showed a stock E43 deliverying 31X whp and then 41X whp after tune. Pretty much C43 numbers. IF the turbos were different, the ceiling for tuned gains should be much higher.
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10-04-2018, 11:27 AM
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The new C43 uses the same engine from the E43 which has larger turbos and produces 390bhp. This was mentioned when the E43 was introduced to the world, same engine, larger turbos help it produce more power.
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