speedydriver

Hi guys, does anyone know where I could source a set of CCB for a W212 facelift E63S? I'm tired of all the dust of the steel rotors. Every time I go on a drive after washing my car, the wheels are already completely dirty. I always have my car washed when the whole car is clean. Just the wheel is dirty.

I've used to see these sets for $10K or less, but the cheapest one I see on eBay right now is $14.25K. Is there any place that is selling them for cheaper? Or any other member on here looking to sell or switch to steels? I would be willing to trade plus cash.

Savage212

10-14k sounds abouts right. Best of luck!

BlownV8

Why not just switch your pads to a low or no dust pad.

Billmiranda

I use ceramic pads and barely get any dust on my wheels (Plus, the ceramic dust is a lighter color and is less noticeable). Going carbon rotors is a bit extreme... and since the dust is from the pads,.. not the rotors... the difference would be minimal.

Savage212

Carbon Ceramic brakes generate very very little dust that "sticks" There is a huge difference between Carbons and Irons dust wise regardless of pad selection.

speedydriver

I'm no expert, but using a ceramic brake pad makes the rotors wear faster correct since it is a harder compound?

Also, I barely got 20K miles on my rotors and pads, no track days and stock car. Honestly, at the price point it doesn't seem to cost that much more in terms of replacing or not. I drive my car hard and I think the ceramics also look really nice. If I can get a set for a decent price, it seems fairly reasonable to do the switch.

Exotic-metal55

Nice upgrade! You will be ready for some track laps soon.

BlownV8

Not from my experience. The ceramic pads wear slower as do the rotors. They don't bite as hard as the semi metallic pads and, of course, don't wear nearly as fast. It took some getting used to for me. Others may have different experiences.

If you are willing to pay $14k for the carbon brake rotors, you could get a lifetime of pad and rotor changes with the steel brakes and come out way ahead. The upgrade makes no sense unless you are going to track your car. With that said, I've read the carbon rotors on the E are not very durable and you are better off with steel rotors. On the E, I feel the carbon rotors are like jewelry and meant for show.

Jan AMG

CCBs =
Lifetime rotors YES
Lifetime pads NO (unless you skip on preventative car maintenance and are willing to risk rotors damage)

Jan AMG

Typical argument of someone who has no idea

BlownV8

No, not the case. Replacement is recommended around 100k to 140k miles but they often fail before then. If you track the car, odds are the life will be shorter. Then again, I guess it depends on your definition of lifetime. It's also very common for people to downgrade to steel brakes from CCB especially for Porsche owners.
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post6749051
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...18k-miles.html
https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/...-plague-267318

Do a little more research so you have a clue. Lot's of issues out there with the carbon ceramic brakes.

FireBall

WRONG... No such thing as "lifetime" brake rotors, carbon ceramic or iron. Wear on rotors and pads is dependent on how 'hard' and how 'often' the brakes are applied.

FireBall

speedydriver, save your money. The best option would be to purchase Brembo two-piece floating rotors for the front and Brembo one-piece rotors for the rear. The key to solving your problem is the brake pad selection. The best pads made today are produced by CarboTech in North Carolina. They manufacturer a revolutionary Carbon/Kevlar pad that generates more stopping power/clamping torque than OE pads and they eliminate that annoying brake dust. The CarboTech "1521 Street" carbon/kevlar pads will also provide superior wear characteristics in combination with the Brembo high carbon iron rotors. I run this combination on my E63 and my Z06 so I can attest to their performance. I purchased the rotors and pads for less than $1,500.