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Old 02-25-2019, 10:59 AM
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Interesting article on upcoming MB models, including new SL

I posted this in the W222 forum, but thought you folks might like to see it as well:
https://www.automobilemag.com/news/m...38BF14A229F99E
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I posted this in the W222 forum, but thought you folks might like to see it as well:
https://www.automobilemag.com/news/m...38BF14A229F99E
We are clearly on the cusp of a whole new era in the automobile industry with the movement to more and more electric vehicles including those that are self-driving. It was bound to happen I suppose, but as a life long 'Car Guy', it also makes me feel a bit 'sad'...
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The start of a new era for MB, no doubt, but as a life long 'car guy' I find the whole movement to electric vehicles that can drive themselves a bit sad.
Me too. I don’t care for the driverless thing. Despite all we hear about it, I just don’t see it happening on public roads anytime real soon. The systems may work fine in controlled environments, but as we know, public roads offer pretty much everything BUT a controlled environment. It’s actually going to be quite entertaining watching these companies trip all over themselves trying to get it done. Unfortunately, I truly believe that some folks will suffer terribly, when these gizmos make mistakes, as we know they will. I hope we can all steer clear of these things while they are testing them.

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So, our beloved and unique SL becomes another 2+2, a format for which its uselessness is matched only by its design stupidity. Years ago, the 2+2 concept was introduced as a means of lowering insurance rates on what otherwise would be categorized as “sports cars”. Obviously, the
effectiveness of that canard has long passed although the facade has continued. I regret my current SL will be my last, and, frankly, nearing 73, I just don’t want to forgo the luxury absent from the AMG GT. How sad!
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I chuckle at the phrase “zero emission range” as if charging the batteries on these cars causes no emissions back at the electrical generation plants..
PS- This article confirms that I now own my last SL. Good by dear friend.

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Interesting read, not exciting as far as I'm concerned. I think I'll hang on to what I have. It's all changing and changing fast. I guess cars with personality and quirks will be a thing of the past.

28 billion invested in battery tech is a staggering amount, says everything about where it's going.
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Just throwing billions at battery technology does not automatically mean a viable way to power these new cars. Ever since Edison studied and experimented with batteries many individuals and companies have tried to improve the technology without economic results. MB and other car manufacturers planning on changing their whole production model without a viable base to run these machines is in my opinion a financial disaster. No foundation under this sky scraper.

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Alas, a 2+2 rag top; not my cup of tea. Of course there will be the new mid-engine Corvette by that time for another option. But I do like my top down. Decisions, decisions, decisions. They are making the 911 Targa look pretty good to me. Speaking of which, in reference to Utopia's nod to the battery tech, the entire process of extracting the raw materials for these high tech batteries is still rather spotty in terms of mechanization. Not to mention the ability to produce the lithium: see this article: https://qz.com/1292202/china-now-eff...um-production/
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When folks find out that they do not own the battery packs in “their” cars, are only leasing, and it will cost 6-8k to replace them heads are going to spin.....
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When folks find out that they do not own the battery packs in “their” cars, are only leasing, and it will cost 6-8k to replace them heads are going to spin.....
You guys are overthinking this. Batteries will outlast the car. Even the ancient Panasonic batteries in Tesla’s have shown this to be a complete non-issue.

As cars have more computer tech in them, so will the speed of improvements increase.
I expect solid state batteries to resolve this discussion altogether
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With all the tech, tech, and more tech the intention is that we will be trading cars like iPhones so the battery lifecycle won't matter to the consumer. The latest and greatest will be all that matters..
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With all the tech, tech, and more tech the intention is that we will be trading cars like iPhones so the battery lifecycle won't matter to the consumer. The latest and greatest will be all that matters..
Thats the problem. We base a new car buying experience over who has the nicest backup camera, screens and tech. Its just amazing how peoples priorities have changed in cars over the years.
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Alas, a 2+2 rag top; not my cup of tea. Of course there will be the new mid-engine Corvette by that time for another option. But I do like my top down. Decisions, decisions, decisions. They are making the 911 Targa look pretty good to me.
Hmm. But the Porsche is not a top down car and it is a 2+2. What makes the Porsche different?

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Targa has the retractable hard 'top'.

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Thats the problem. We base a new car buying experience over who has the nicest backup camera, screens and tech. Its just amazing how peoples priorities have changed in cars over the years.
To quote the Nikki Lauda line from Rush, "God blessed me with a good ***, I can feel the car." When I lose that sensation, give me the autodrivers.
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Targa has the retractable hard 'top'.
Not really, it removes the piece of roof over the front seats, but its not a top down car As such it is neither a convertible or a roadster. Its a cool car though and the mechanism is nice to look at

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Not really, it removes the piece of roof over the front seats, but its not a top down car As such it is neither a convertible or a roadster. Its a cool car though and the mechanism is nice to look at
I owned several 911 Targas in the 70’s and thought them to be the perfect open air drivers. So, I drove a new Targa. It looks great and drives great, but with the top and the side windows open, when traveling at only 40mph, the wind blows right into my neck, which I found quite uncomfortable and what I consider to be a design flaw. With the windows up, it was nice, but configured as I would want it, it was also $180K.
The current SL is a comparative bargain and way more comfortable.

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I owned several 911 Targas in the 70’s and thought them to be the perfect open air drivers. So, I drove a new Targa. It looks great and drives great, but with the top and the side windows open, when traveling at only 40mph, the wind blows right into my neck, which I found quite uncomfortable and what I consider to be a design flaw. With the windows up, it was nice, but configured as I would want it, it was also $180K.
The current SL is a comparative bargain and way more comfortable.
So does the back window not retract with the roof? Perhaps I viewed that incorrectly.
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So does the back window not retract with the roof? Perhaps I viewed that incorrectly.
The very first year that the 911 Targa was available, was I believe 1968. On that car, the rear window was a zip-out, plastic window. The next year, it was changed to a fixed, glass window and has been that way ever since. The current model has the glass window “open” to receive the retractable top, but then closes and remains that way. Here is a video:

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