kip

More actual comparisons!

http://rapidshare.de/files/4343848/E...pped_.mpg.html

KIP

chem0

Im beginning to fall in love with that exhaust

OzE55

All I got was a sound clip, no movie.

Can Drive 55

I saw the video. There was definitely a BMW there, but I could not tell what the other car was. If we assume that the video was shot from a chipped E55, then uploaded to show that he got killed by Mr. Butt Ugly, then so be it, and it is definitely a fast car. Still ugly, though. Very ugly.

eclou

limited viewing but the M5 does pull ahead by a carlength or so. Probably equivalent to a 1/10th second differential in the 1/4 mile.

skratch77

How much power does the e55 get with a chip?

RezF

Judging by the close margin between the cars, it HAS to be a 55. Can't be anything else. Get yourself prepared because more and more videos will surface which show the methodical killing of the E55 by the mighty M5. But you are right on two fronts: it is FAST and it is UGLY!

Jakpro1

Now let's talk about this for real.

This could actually be a blessing in disguise. If this IS legit and a stock N/A M5 is beating a chipped E55. Then we are in good shape when the new 6.3 comes out. It (new 6.3) has to put out more torque than the M5 doesn't it. I mean that is what AMG is famous for, torque.
So if new 6.3 puts out a tick more horse...AND more torque, and a little more stout gearing, and the 7 speed.....we go back into victory lane correct. I know I know...so many factors, but I think we will be in good shape.

Anyone got any torque figures on that M5. I would like to match them up to the ML63 and see what the difference is.

RezF

Sooo, let me get this right! According to your theory the current E55 should BLOW away a 360 Modena due to the torque diff. between the MB and the Ferrari (515 vs. 275 lb.ft).
Torque is a big factor for long haul; however, there is more engineering than just torque which makes a car a winner, i.e. weight balance, total weight, drag, quality of gear changes. These have all been previously associated with a BMW, not an MB. The only thing 6.3 L will get you, I'm afraid, is lighter pockets with the higher fuel consumption.
You guys need to remember that there are alot of things that make an MB special and unique, i.e. luxury, comfort, prestige. Beating a BMW is not one of the virtues

MrAMG

If you were a little bit subtle on your comment defending BMW, I would have taken it seriously. Evidently, you are a die hard BMW fanatic when you said "Beating a BMW is not one of those virtues (of a Mercedes)". bwahahahahaha!

RezF

A dieHard BMW fan loves the styling of the M5. I think it is soooo butt ugly. it is "visual pollution" in the best sense of the term. I have also owned an SL 55. Now, Do you reeeeeally think I am a diehard BMW fan?

But, I still stand by what I have said. Let me ask you this, have you ever seen a magazine article or car show pitting an AMG against an M, with the conclusion that the AMG was an "overall" winner? I don't think I have. Journalists, like most car enthusiasts drool over how an M-car is engineered and performs. Most don't share the same emotions over an AMG (SL being the exception)

zoink

Stupid question.... how do you know that the E55 is chipped other than the title says so? If it's indeed not chipped, I think it's a very good perf....

The M5 seems to have a very good driver.... didn't see it lose any significant time when changing gears or is it SMG?

I don't care who wins..... There will always be a better car out there.... E55 has beaten M5 for couple years (since W211 came out).... now E60 is out, we just need to wait until the new E63 (would be funny if MB at the end comes w/ E60 ).... I'm sure E63 is faster (at least straight line) and better handling than E55.... until another new M5 is out and the cycle repeats again.

All I wish is that M5 design were better.... just like E39... very classy yet agressive.

skratch77

the e63 will be faster around town at lower speeds with its tourqe advantage but when racing its all about top end power where the m5 really shines.

dont expect the auto tranny and drivline to be as efficiant as an smg manual like the m5's

the e60 m5 dynoed 471 hp at the wheels.The e63 will have more tourqe but how much can MB get at the wheels with there auto box in is the ? to ask

adx

Only time will tell (hopefully in the next year or so) but I doubt MB AMG will put out something that does not out do BMW, except for the handling.

enzom

How do you know that it dyno'd at 471 rwhp? Curious. Have a link?

skratch77

There around ill look for them.

Supersprint has a dyno with 530hp and with there exhuast 548hp

theres also a post on m5board that a mag got 471rwhp on some dyno

Evolution Marine

What do you do after the "Rapid Share " page comes up, to get to the video? Do you have to joine or what? - Bob

E55AMG99

Scroll down to the bottom of the first page and click FREE. When the next page comes up, scroll down and wait for the timer to run to zero. When the filename appears, RCSA.

Greg

athlon70

You diehards are forgetting,

BMW is 5.0, the AMG will be 6.3 to try and beat it, not really fair is it.

I love the Kompressor and Merc are going backwards with the 6.3, just so we vcan get a 7 speed box. Who gives a **** about gears, i would run a powerglide if it was going to be quicker.

Jon200

I wouldn't say backwards, just a different route. I don't think MB are too keen on the whole 100bhp/litre yet!

Jon200

very nice vid full credit to the M5

reggid

the net result will be a faster and more urgent car. if the m5 is faster than the 5.5sc from a roll then the new 6.3L has got to be in with a chance with its 1.3L more displacment over the v10. with 7sp you'll have more power at any speed and therefore more grunt on tap.

E55AMG99

Backwards? How is a 6.3L NA 4Valve DOHC motor going backwards from a 5.3L SC 3Valve SOHC motor?

And just so we can get a 7 speed? Where do you get your (mis)information?

Jakpro1

4700lb (and that's conservative) ML63 already clocked at 4.8 0-60.

We were all waiting for the first numbers to come out and finally the proof is in the pudding. You knock almost a thousand pounds off that and we got an M5 a$$ whooper. Well, at least enough to reverse the rolls in that video.

We'll see.

Now where in the world did I ever mention a 3000lb Modena. I am comparing the Benz to the M5. No offense my Benz brotha but it's really not rocket science. To fine tune it is....but in the basics, it's weight, hp, drivetrain and torque. Aero comes into effect at high speed but is not going to slaughter street cars in the 1/4 mile or 0-60.

Benz will match the M5 in HP....will beat the M5 in torque, will have reduced weight albeit not as much as M5 I hear, and again, it's not like the AMG engineers, who seem to be doing fine on the circuit this year, are in a bug infested garage all trying to figure out what gearing to use. They will use sufficient gearing and drivetrain to give us the W. Ahhh, this M5 VS E55 gets me too worked up....I'm outta this thread... Please flame away.

athlon70

The 7 speed can't handle the torque output.