W211 AMG Discuss the W211 AMG's such as the E55 and the E63

Twin Turbo Charge our 55's?

Old Oct 14, 2006 | 12:13 PM
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Dude... this is the main Mercedes forum on the internet. Do you honestly think that we are a bunch of clueless retards and don't even know that there is a Brabus V12 E-class? I believe there are at least 10 threads regarding this car, maybe more

P.S. There is also a Brabus V12 bi-turbo CLS, which is supposed to be even faster than this E class.
Hey call your self what you want, I read the thread and everyone is going back and forth about how and if a v12 will fit and if you can add two turbo's, so I thought I would share the brabus with you.
Oh, and no need to thank me for taking the time to post the link and the photo's.

Individuals like yourself are the main reason why I don't live in Miami anymore, and why the city is the way it is.
Great attitude!!!!

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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 11:49 PM
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Energy, what he meant to say was....thanks for the post but it is a repost. It is a great idea but it is too expensive for most of us to do. He would have finished it up with MB's V12 is not as good as the AMG V12 according to MB techs not to mention that it is heavier than the current V8.

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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 12:04 AM
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The V12 TT motor was my first choice.. I could have bought one for $30,000 on eBay but after I discovered the amount of work to make it work, I discounted it as a solution.. Much easier to deal with the current V8 and build ontop of it.

Thanks for the info, but, it's been talked about on here quite a bit already.

Keep in touch with the thread.. It will start to get interesting in the coming weeks.

Originally Posted by Energy34108
Hey guy's I only read 2 pages and hope I am not repeating what someone else posted but there is a Bi-turbo E class by Brabus with a V12.
Here is a link to the page with specs and a hefty $$$$$355,000.00 price tag but did make it into the Guiness book of world records as the fastest 4 door sedan in the world.

http://rsportscars.com/eng/cars/brabus_e_biturbo.asp



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Old Oct 20, 2006 | 11:18 PM
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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 11:40 AM
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Will be calling for an update this afternoon... I'll post later on tonight.

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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 12:59 PM
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I dont want to go too far off topic with a great thread such as this but wouldn't an S65 Renntech be faster than this car if you removed the electronic governor?

[QUOTE=Energy34108;1792468]Hey guy's I only read 2 pages and hope I am not repeating what someone else posted but there is a Bi-turbo E class by Brabus with a V12.
Here is a link to the page with specs and a hefty $$$$$355,000.00 price tag but did make it into the Guiness book of world records as the fastest 4 door sedan in the world.

http://rsportscars.com/eng/cars/brabus_e_biturbo.asp
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I once knew somebody who told me that her mother has an SLK32AMG that has an added turbocharger to the existing supercharger and it was done in Germany. Whether its BS or not, it is possible as we have seen on that custom C32 turbo/supercharger...I am really looking foward to these mods, I can't wait to see the ultimate E AMG. Good luck with the greatest performance mod since the SLR-SLK!
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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 09:02 PM
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While I was waiting to pick up my E63 today I was talking to a sales guy and he said that Renntech is developing a turbo kit for E55/63s. Dunno if it was BS or not but he seemed like a straight shooter (for a car salesman anyway).
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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by limitup
While I was waiting to pick up my E63 today I was talking to a sales guy and he said that Renntech is developing a turbo kit for E55/63s. Dunno if it was BS or not but he seemed like a straight shooter (for a car salesman anyway).
the LAST people i would trust for information about these cars (oem or aftermarket) would be sales or service guys.
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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 11:04 PM
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the LAST people i would trust for information about these cars (oem or aftermarket) would be sales or service guys.
Really?
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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 11:14 PM
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Same thing I heard. Renn has twin turbs in the works.

Knowing them though, it will be one hundred BILLION DOLLARSSSS!!!!


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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Same thing I heard. Renn has twin turbs in the works.

Knowing them though, it will be one hundred BILLION DOLLARSSSS!!!!

+1

Plus from what I heard is that RENNTech and MB might be sleeping in the same bed with each other.
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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 12:37 AM
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Old Nov 9, 2006 | 12:44 PM
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VRUS, just checking in on the TT project.

Hey what do you think about making the tranny's shift faster? Can it be done?

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Old Nov 9, 2006 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammer Down
VRUS, just checking in on the TT project.

Hey what do you think about making the tranny's shift faster? Can it be done?

JJ
I can think of three things that can be done to make the tranny shift faster without computer tuning, all things being equal.

1) Immobilize the lock-up on the torque convertor, this works because there is less "stuff" going on during changes. It also makes the car shift smoother. Your tech can disable the lock-up with the diagnostics and you can drive the car around to see if you like it. The only way to make it permanent is to pull the solenoid for the TC lock-up, divert the fluid for the TC lock-up circuit to the pan, and then put the solenoid back-in. The tranny computer won't complain because the solenoid is still firing as planned.

2) Run lighter tranny fluid. This works because to maintain a given pressure, the pressure control valve has to let more fluid velocity pass and the fluid flows easier. I usually go with recommended fluid but then add light additives.

This one is sometimes hard to believe for those of us that used to add shift-kits to old musclecars and switch to heavier fluid.

3) The solenoids can be adjusted (very few people know this), so baseline pressure can be bumped up.

My CL55 currently has 1) done to it. Lots of fun tagging the stall speed coming out of 1st and 2nd gear turns. Car also drives smoother. A big benny I wasn't expecting -> I have less bucking when the supercharger engages, without the lock-up the supercharger engagement is cushioned.

Downside is that it definitely doesn't put as much power down at higher speeds. I also notice that it doesn't have as much engine braking effect. Some might also worry about heat, but I haven't had any problems.

I've done 2) to ZF trannies with success, principle would apply to our MBs. Downside to this is that one can get carried away to the point that the clutches won't hold as well.

3) is too risky for my tastes ... there is a balancing act, get it wrong and the tranny can be damaged in expensive ways.

MB will probably frown on all of these ... I'm at the 51K mile mark on my CL55, so I'm getting the itch for drivetrain mods.

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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 04:51 PM
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Do u guys have any pics? or is it all just talk...for now
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Old Nov 10, 2006 | 07:57 PM
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I'm no turbo expert but T25 turbos don't seen hardly big enough. The Lotus Esprit V8 TT's had those turbos, and the pretty much maxed out at 450HP. You are gonna need much bigger turbos to get serious HP out of the AMG engines engines, T25 wont' be able to provide enough air for the 5.5L (even two of them).
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Old Nov 22, 2006 | 09:51 PM
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Any updates?
I Don't have an E 55 or even a benz any more but am very interested in how things are turning out!
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Old Nov 30, 2006 | 08:52 AM
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Old Nov 30, 2006 | 11:06 AM
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Sorry guys.. not too much to report.. Alot of research is going into the cooling components right now.. I am trying to come up with a proper solution to deal with the extra heat and trying to figure out the mounting of the turbos..
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Old Nov 30, 2006 | 12:09 PM
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Sorry guys.. not too much to report.. Alot of research is going into the cooling components right now.. I am trying to come up with a proper solution to deal with the extra heat and trying to figure out the mounting of the turbos..
whatever it takes to make it work VRUS
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Old Nov 30, 2006 | 01:05 PM
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this may or may not help

http://lingenfelter.com/c5corvetteturboviews.htm
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Old Nov 30, 2006 | 02:00 PM
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That motor right there is sick!! Gotta love the Lingenfelter TT's.
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 03:29 AM
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did you see anything from my last post that may help you develope a kit?
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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 07:28 AM
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............now that I know a bit more about twin turbos as a result of my own project, I think some attention should be paid to space limitations in the engine bay. If you plan on keeping the stock s/c and adding a twin turbo, you are probbly not going to have the space to do it. Single turbo will work better in this case since you don't care so much about turbo lag. given that the W211 E55 already has tremendous torque at the low end. You may even elect to use a sinle NON-ball bearing turbo so that the turbo will spool longer and kick in later. This way you don't compund your traction problem.

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Old Dec 2, 2006 | 10:49 AM
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Ted that was one of my main concerns when this was brought up. The space to have the Supercharger and twin turbos is gonna be super tight and require alot of moving of parts to fit I think. I have always felt just twin turbos would be the best and most straight forward.

But i hope they prove me wrong!!
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