When dude with Eclipse and Civic comes to the Kleemann's defence---- you know its over for them. Soon we will see Kleemann S/C at Walmarts.

 

Speed sensitive su ck s, cory, may be because I got a bolt-on-version.

 

Thank you friend , because that really means a lot to me, so I guess I will borrow Davids Subaru and see you, in the rear view mirror?

 

Fast Eddy,

Do you have down syndrome?? Are you mentally incompetent?? Please answer yes so all my negative thoughts about you can be erased. I truly feel you are suffering from a mental disease that makes you act like this. As for my "complimenting" cars, the mitsubishi is a showcar that is being sold to Panasonic as their demo vehicle for $94,000. May not complement the Mercedes', but will buy 6 of your "i take it in the bum" smart cars. My civic is the family beater car that is used on long trips, etc. The only clown here is you and you are doing a five star job of making yourself look like a complete idiot. Sell your smart fart and consider a sex change, because you are obviously not a man.

 

Eclipse, any pics? Can you line them all up and take a picture, who on this forum would not want to see all these cars in one picture because in reality the chance of that is big round zero.

Any pics, clown?

By the way, that mitsu can only "Eclipce" your honda. I'd love to see that Eclipce next to all the Benzes you dont have. Cant wait to see them. I'm sure your HOdna is in line to be sold next to Sherwood or Teac, for like $150 000 .

 

Civic is a family beater for long trips? Muahahahahahhahaha after short trip in S600 get into Civic and drive 1000 miles? Moron, anyone with Mercedes in this world would do it the other way around, but you could only know this if you ever had MB.





Anybody, is this clown for real?

All S600 owners, please post your true stories how you drive family beaters such as Tercells , Civics, Geo metros and Pontiac Sunfires for 1000 mile trips.

 

Not that I want to get into the crossfire here, but Fast Eddy does have a point.

I think most of us use "beater" cars for trips to the hardware store, transporting the dogs, or when the MB is in the shop.

 

The answer is YES. However, the next question is "how much" You have to have a lower compression motor (such as in the 211 E55 compared to the 210 E55). This is what we are doing for sleestack. He will have a 6.2 stroker that will put out over 650HP. This can be done to any stock or Kleemann V8 (you will need the Kleemann to get 650).

Thanks

Brad

 

Quoted #'s are BS and marketing hype.

There is NO way you can get those numbers without drag slicks and all kinds of special drag mods. Kleemann tests their cars with Toyo's (TS1-Proxes - nothing more). You can easily see how this would make a difference.

I always here "0-60" this, "0-60" that. Simple answer, buy a Camaro SS - fasted 0-60 for the money. Then when you want to drive to Vegas and back or up the coast and actually not have to start from O, drive a Kleemann. There is no way to explain the thrill besides driving it.

I know we have offered to have Fast Eddy come and drive one, but he would rather sit back and cause fights - that is his prerogative!

On the track, we ran a CLK43K at Willow Springs and were less then 4 seconds off of Speed World Challenge BMW pace. (1:34 to 1:37.5) There are some real world numbers for you Fast Eddy - you can find them if you look at CEC's deal.

Thanks

Brad

 

Don't take seriously what I say. Would love to drive Kleemann as to my complain about kleemann price---- its no more than one of the guys complaining about $100 oil change here a while ago. I don't remember exact number but I paid over $600 for trasmission fluid change at the dealership at 50k miles. Did I complain? Yes Did I do it regardless of the price and the fact that MB does not recomend to change untill 100k miles? Yes. People like sleestack will get Kleemann regardless of what people say so you have nothing to worry about.

 

Brad,

here is the reply from Renntech regarding to what you said:

"RENNtech's car are tested independently, mostly by Car and Driver, copies of these tests are available by calling our office. Not only did our EV12 go 0 to 60 in less than 4 seconds, but our CLK 6.0 V8 with only 408 HP did it in 4 seconds flat, we also had a SL600 with our 7.4 conversion do it in 3.7 seconds, Please note these were with street tires.

You can claim whatever horsepower you want, our is tested independently and if you can not get the results we do, than may be our horsepower is tested differently than other compainies.

We give results.

Bob Brady
RENNtech
Senior Product Specialist"

So the EV12 DID go 0-60 less than 4 sec, not to mention other Renntech cars on same level. I am just wondering why didn't Kleemann cars that has about the same HP unable to achieve the same result?? It seems like all kleemann cars are incapable of going 0-60 in less than 4 sec. No offense, just curious...

 

Great. However, I have heard a different story from Car & Driver sources.

It may be possible, but I will belive it when I see it. As a racer and an insider in this industry, magazine claims are hardly the law IMHO. Magazines are driven by keeping their advertisers happy, not be giving 100% accurate articles (trust me on this one).

The cars are VERY fast. However, unless they did something about rear traction, I don't see how it could eb done.

Regardless, we are builing a Kleemann car for next year's tuner challenge and that will let it run head to head with RENNtech to end the debate!

Thanks

Brad

 

Hi all,

it´s very funny to watch you throwing arround with numbers

OK, first of all I noticed that Brad sells Kleemann parts? I like Kleemann - they make great upgrades for MB cars. Before I bought my C 32 I owned a C 43. Kleemann send me information about a supercharger kit. But it was very expensive (17'euro).

What I wanna do is show you that AMG is the leader in making the strongest engines for MB cars.

Just for example the C32 AMG:
354 HP and 450 NM.

Kleemanns C 32 K:
330 HP and 441 NM.

Which one is faster? Noone. Both are very fast. But that´s only with the G3 kit. Of course, the G4 kit is more powerfull then the AMG standard kits, but don´t forget: it´s just a standart kit.
What I am trying to say is that AMG is producing sporty vehicles for Mercedes Benz with STANDARD equipments. Do you think that MB wants cars with only 2 years of lifetime? Not realy. It´s for sure that under maximum use of power (is that the right word?) the engine of the standard AMG vehicle won´t **** up.
If you see Kleemann´s contract you will find something that says: "...Kleemann will not give you a warranty if you drive the vehicle in sports races..."
OK, but AMG gives me full warranty for everythin I do with my car (thats how it is in germany - don´t know what its about in other countries).

So for a "standard sports car" with full warranty AMG is the greatest. It´s like the BMW´s M Motoren Technik and Audi´s Quattro GmbH or Porsche´s Tequipment.

If you want "additional" works on your car you can go to AMG too. Just look at Mohammad bin Sulayan: he drives a 612 HP CLK GTR and he thought is was to slow. OK, no problem for AMG: now the car has about 700 HP and is one of the fastest cars ever built. The bad thing on additional tuning with AMG is that it´s very very expensive.

So where do you wanna go? Do you want a german performace specialist like AMG?
Other companies here are: Lorinser, Brabus, MKB, Inden Design, Kleemann etc.

In my opinion Kleemann and RENNtech are the only MB tuning companies which are as good as AMG. If I´m not wrong I think that a ex AMG mechanic founded RENNtech?
The RENNtech E 7.4 RS V12 is one of the fastest non-AMG-MB ever modificated.
Of course Kleemann makes very fast MB cars too! But I don´t think that you Brad will be faster in a Kleemann car then (for example) Michael Schumacher in a RENNtech. And it´s for sure that Michael Schumacher won´t be faster than Brad if they change cars.
Both cars are very very fast and it´s not very important if a car needs 3.9 or 4.0 secs from 0-60.

One of the biggest Problems is the grip. Like Brad said you need slicks to accelerate that fast. But thats only the half truth (german expression). My fathers Porsche 993 Ruf turbo needs 3,4 secs to accelerate from 0-60. Without slicks. It´s just a question what kind a car you have and what charactaristics your engine has. If your car weights about 1700 kilo and your max torque is 800NM @ 1800 rpm you will have problems to accelerate with perfect traction.
You got a car with the max torque @ 3500 rpm and max rounds per minute of your engine is 8000? Then it´s no problem

Finally I hope everyone can see my point of view:p

 

Think his name is Helmut Feyhl ex-AMG mechanic.

 

That would be Hartmut Feyhl- One of the founding fathers of the original AMG Hammer.

 

AMG Hammer??? Whats a Hammer?

 

That's who i meant. Thanks for the correction.

 

I believe the Hammer was one of the earliest AMG cars to be built around the 80's. I remember seeing a model 560SEC AMG 2-door that looked pretty wicked back those days.

 

Actually one of the earliest AMG cars was this car
http://www.mbspy.com/w109amg.htm
based on the 300sel 6.3
If you realize that stock 6.3 is 300hp and 434 ft. lbs at 3000 rpm and 0-60 anywhere from 5.9-6.7 (this was a hand built car) then imagine the AMG bored to 6.8.
Pure raw power.

 

There was one of these at Starfest(mbca.org) this year in Indianapolis. I was in the crowd during the concours and heard this thing start up. it was a sound unlike any MB in attendance. I wish I had the chance to take pics and take to the owner.

Quite a memorable experience. :P

Norm
Bordeau/Merlot

 

FETT!!

 

The Hammer is one of AMG's legendary cars. In a way, it's the father of the E55. It's based on the early w124 300e. Back in '87, the AMG Hammer 6.0 had 375hp, could run 0-60 in 5.2 secs, with a top speed of 180+ mph. It would also set you back a cool $160K.

 

I figure my car could be called Hartmut's Hammer! Go RENNtech!Hey, mac99, watch for video link to be posted by Pocholin concerning Cannonball E55 by RENNtech. You will be vindicated! And Bob Brady will be validated!

 

Here you go...from Starfest courtesy of MBAutowerks.

http://www.mbautowerks.com/starfest2002/pics/06.jpg

Norm