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Old 04-21-2008, 02:42 PM
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E55 V's Shelby GT500 Mustang

I'll be getting together with a buddy this Wednesday night so he can show off his new GT500 rag top and I just know we're going to run. At least I hope we are.

Does anybody have any experience against one of these? How fast are they?

His cars a stick so I feel pretty good about running from a dig but from a roll I'm not so sure.

My '06' E is stock.
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Should be a good race, I'm pretty sure if he had a coupe he'd have a weight advantage but not so much with the vert. You should definitely film this.
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If he is stock, it won't be much of a race...they put down around 420-440rwhp stock but have wheel-hop and traction problems. You should be able to put some good distance on him. If he has some mod's 3.73 gears, JLT CAI, tune and pulley (550rwhp)....it flips the other way.

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Originally Posted by TMC M5
If he is stock, it won't be much of a race...they put down around 420-440rwhp stock but have wheel-hop and traction problems. You should be able to put some good distance on him. If he has some mod's 3.73 gears, JLT CAI, tune and pulley (550rwhp)....it flips the other way.

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I was under the impression that they still had live rear axles? Isn't that better for traction? Edumacate me pls.
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Originally Posted by TMC M5
If he is stock, it won't be much of a race...they put down around 420-440rwhp stock but have wheel-hop and traction problems. You should be able to put some good distance on him. If he has some mod's 3.73 gears, JLT CAI, tune and pulley (550rwhp)....it flips the other way.

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I think my car is quicker but have never been in a GT500 or seen one run at the track. He's a old school muscle car guy, (as I am), but has not yet embraced or experienced the wonder's of AMG.

AMG 101. Coming up.
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Originally Posted by speedpeddler
I think my car is quicker but have never been in a GT500 or seen one run at the track. He's a old school muscle car guy, (as I am), but has not yet embraced or experienced the wonder's of AMG.

AMG 101. Coming up.
Just don't mash the peddle to the floor or you will really spin your tires. Check out the tagged thread above (one of the first thread posts on each page) on how to drag the 55 (I think Chicago X posted it).

You'll be fine...post a video clip if you can.
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The live rear axle is built to take abuse....SVT had major problems with the IRS half shafts snapping under duress on the prior Cobras. The problem with the GT500 is wheel hopping. The live rear needs additional support to keep planted (there are lower control arm mod kits to help). The performance mods mentioned previously really only help once the car has hooked up...kind of masking the traction problem by having the GT500 start motoring on its way to a 118-122 trap speed.

Here is a list of some GT500 times with all sorts of mod's from Team Shelby (formerly Stangs Unleashed):

9 Second Club

Evolution-----------------1.481 9.62 @ 147.84 CFUXSEHMGKRTZA 10/10/07 – Cecil County Dragway
nx338--------------------1.436 9.817 @ 144.40 CFUTXSEHMGKRNZ 10/21/07 New England Dragway, Epping NH

10 Second Club

Harleydealer---------------1.486 10.147 @ 139.63 CFUTXSEHMGKNZ 10/10/07 Gateway International Raceway, St. Louis, Mo.
aqzw----------------------1.533 10.430 @ 132.63 CFTXSEHMGKZ 11/17/07 Cecil County Dragway
Jerrytubbs1---------------1.47 10.49 @ 130.78 CFUXSEHMGK 12/28/07 Mt Park Dragway
dragpac-------------------1.555 10.657 @ 130.53 CFUSDEG 12/1/07 Cecil County Dragway
10's-gt500----------------1.601 10.761@129.26 CFUDSE 11/25/07 ATCO NJ


11 Second Club

iceman--------------------1.638 11.041 @ 133.01 CFDSEHGKVZ 10/24/07 Muncie Dragway, IN
fearsno1------------------1.73 11.05@129.67 CFTDEKZS 11/07/07 no problem raceway
VTWLKWY ---------------1.664 11.164 @ 131.076 CFTXEHMGKZ 09/05/07 Napierville Dragway
beefcake ---------------- 1.494 11.17 @ 123.05 CFUESKXG 10/14/07 Tri State Dragway, Cincinnati, OH
MD03SVT-----------------1.566 11.259 @ 125.637 CXEKGV
cobraracing---------------1.60 11.316 @ 122.59 CFUDSEG St Thomas On. 9/15/07 - Alt: 600 ft
Streetpwr281-------------2.008 11.39 @ 131.75 CFTDSEHMGZ 12/6/07 Bradenton Motorsports Park - Bradenton, FL
dgussin1------------------1.629 11.410 @ 125.71 CFUXEMSGK 11/18/06 Great Lakes Dragway
Loui428-------------------1.629 11.432 @ 123.80 CFDSHGKBZ* 10/12/07 – Island Dragway, NJ – (*Shelby GT w/4.6 engine & blower)
MrFarmdog ---------------1.898 11.444 @ 124.88 KVZCFTMD 5/19/07 Memphis Motorsports Park
Redline -------------------1.768 11.47 @ 122.22 CFU Maryland International Raceway 9/16/07 *Stock F1 Tires
Captainbob----------------1.62 11.47 @ 125 CFUDSGK bremerton raceway
GT500Tow-----------------1.746 11.555 @119.76 CFUDSM Bradenton Motor Sports Park FL 1/10/08
11ride4life-----------------1.702 11.562 @ 120 Cuxfem California Speedway
Brands5.0 ----------------1.78 11.63 @ 120.00 CFUEMX Moroso, West palm beach 8/18/07
Lethal Performance--------1.830 11.733 @ 119.72 CFD 01/16/08 Moroso West Palm Beach, FL
69B302--------------------1.953 11.925 @ 122.37 CFUSGK Lebanon Valley dragway, NY 9/2/07
MDS370-------------------1.818 11.93 @ 116.76 CFUDEM 7/25/07 Raceway Park , Englishtown,NJ
Tahoe GT------------------1.976 11.948 @ 119.79 CFUDSEM 04/04/07 Infineon Raceway
B. SHELBY ----------------1.737 11.972 @121.19 CFSX 10/9/07 Muncie Dragway, IN
Dactyl---------------------1.901 11.981 @ 117.72 CFUDSEHMK 07/20/07 Moroso West Palm Beach, FL
mobeydick-----------------1.945 11.984 @120.22 CFUSEHGKV Silver Dollar Raceway, Reynolds GA. 11/18/07
1FSTHRSE-----------------1.96 11.985 @ 120.65 CFUDSEGK 9/21/2007 NYIRP Leicester, NY


12 Second Club

wickedgt500---------------2.106 12.118 @ 122.090 CFUDSEG 10/10/07 Sacramento Raceway
croz98gt-------------------2.024 12.162 @ 117.91 CFU Summit Motorsports Park Norwalk, OH 7/22/07(*with passenger)
Bullitmansparts------------2.105 12.168 @ 121.52 CFUG NYIRP, 10/21/07
VNMOUS1-----------------1.911 12.192@121.78 CFESG Great Lakes Dragaway (WI) 9/23/07
Blayne9067----------------2.124 12.360 @ 119.67 CFUDSMGK Gateway International 4/20/07
Wildcat -------------------- 2.116, 12.409 @ 119.87 CFUSEG Tulsa Raceway Park, 11/17/2007
Lightning Bob-------------1.847 12.537 @ 110.01 D only 08/26/07 Byron Dragway
Cloud9---------------------2.073 12.586@114.119 CF 9/16/07 Thunder Valley Dragways, Marion, SD
Fred13--------------------2.182 12.659 @ 115.71 CFS San Antonio Raceway Marion, Tx 4/25/07
red07shelby--------------1.992 12.659@ 111.99 bone stock Englishtown 12/23/07
Fastbackman--------------1.815 12.721 @ 106.27 D 11/18/06 Tulsa, OK
DZELENKA----------------2.125 12.813 @ 112.95 CFSG 6/6/07 NO PROBLEM RACEWAY DONALDSONVILLE, LA
ToddL--------------------- 2.235 12.796 @ 115.76, STOCK, Firebird Raceway, Chandler, 12/22/07

13 Second Club

Alloy Dave ---------------2.331 13.194 @ 110.05 S Gateway International, St. Louis 4/20/07
phr3121 ----------------- 2.247 13.437 @ 108.54 Stock Tulsa Raceway Park, Tulsa, OK 09/01/07 - Alt: 636 ft
stpracer43----------------2.170 13.486 @ 105.35 Stock Firebird Raceway PHX, AZ 6/08/07 Alt: 1,140 ft
Just Tony-----------------2.367 13.863 @ 102.91 V Stock Las Vegas Speedway 1/12/08



MODIFICATION KEY

C=Tune
F=Filter
L=Lower Pulley
U=Upper Pulley
T=Throttle Body
D=Drag Radials
X=Slicks
S=Suspension
E=Catback or X-Pipe
H=Headers
I=Ignition Upgrade
M=MAF
G=Gears
K=Driveshaft
R=Weight Reduction
A=Automatic Transmission
V=Convertible
N=Nitrous
P=Ported Eaton
B=Meth. Injection
W=Aftermarket Blower TVS
Y=Aftermarket Blower Whipple (any size)
Z=Aftermarket Blower KB 2.8 (stage 1,2, or 3)

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I was under the impression that they still had live rear axles? Isn't that better for traction? Edumacate me pls.
GT500 is a pig. 400bhp base 06/07 C6 beats it with 400crank
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So I guess I will completely rev on the blue one I see around town now.
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Originally Posted by Cylinder Head
So I guess I will completely rev on the blue one I see around town now.
Knock yourself out...

Just do a quick check under the hood and see if he has an exposed conical air filter. Just the CAI and tune gets them to 500rwhp. From a roll that can be pretty lethal...

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Originally Posted by speedpeddler
I'll be getting together with a buddy this Wednesday night so he can show off his new GT500 rag top and I just know we're going to run. At least I hope we are.

Does anybody have any experience against one of these? How fast are they?

His cars a stick so I feel pretty good about running from a dig but from a roll I'm not so sure.

My '06' E is stock.
i've raced a few from a roll and at the track. from a roll he might have a chance to hang with you...depending on how well he can row through the gears or if he gets a good jump. from a dig, he's got no chance unless you screw up by turning esp off.
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Chiromikey:

I think even from a roll a stock GT500 will not put up much of fight (especially the vert).

BTW nice Ducati... are you a chiropractor?

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Chiromikey:

I think even from a roll a stock GT500 will not put up much of fight (especially the vert).

BTW nice Ducati... are you a chiropractor?

Tom
from a roll, it needs a jump and a really good driver...and while the gt500 might get the jump, most definitely don't have a good driver so you're likely right.

thanks about the duc. it's totally different now...new paint and powdercoat and modded up like crazy (yes i have a problem! ). and yes, i am a chiropractor.
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from a roll, it needs a jump and a really good driver...and while the gt500 might get the jump, most definitely don't have a good driver so you're likely right.

thanks about the duc. it's totally different now...new paint and powdercoat and modded up like crazy (yes i have a problem! ). and yes, i am a chiropractor.
Very nice (for the Ducati)!!!

The reason I was curious was that my father and my brother are both chiropractors. They try to keep me straightened out...okay with a natural curvature...

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Very nice (for the Ducati)!!!

The reason I was curious was that my father and my brother are both chiropractors. They try to keep me straightened out...okay with a natural curvature...

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both father and brother...what happened to you, you rebel...decided to be the black sheep of the family huh!!!
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
both father and brother...what happened to you, you rebel...decided to be the black sheep of the family huh!!!
I have two other brothers...one's a cardiologist and the other is an MIT computer whiz working for Google.... so we are all a "disappointment" to my dad who envisioned 4 chiropractors for sons...

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