Competition: BMW's V12TT
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=145726
The stock #'s are pretty impressive...V12TT with 536hp and 553lbs-ft of torque mated to an 8 speed tranny . This is a pretty serious rival. However, I wonder how far you can push the boost with that 8 speed tranny? :nix: Tom |
Hmm interesting. I am not a big fan of the oversized kidney grills
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Originally Posted by TMC M5
(Post 3457786)
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=145726
The stock #'s are pretty impressive...V12TT with 536hp and 553lbs-ft of torque mated to an 8 speed tranny . This is a pretty serious rival. However, I wonder how far you can push the boost with that 8 speed tranny? :nix: Tom Sounds like a great limo and BMW needed something to truly rival the W221 S600- looks like they've done it. I reckon the next generation A8 will be the one to have, though it depends if they boost the W12... |
Hooo-leee shiznit. That effer is gonna scream.
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I like the fact that once someone is able to do a tune on the V8TT and V12TT monster power can be picked up similar to the MB V12 TT, although I seem to favor the MBTT more for torque reasons and the fact that it proves it's potential with the tune and light mods.
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Originally Posted by TMC M5
(Post 3457786)
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=145726
The stock #'s are pretty impressive...V12TT with 536hp and 553lbs-ft of torque mated to an 8 speed tranny . This is a pretty serious rival. However, I wonder how far you can push the boost with that 8 speed tranny? :nix: Tom |
Originally Posted by bobgodd
(Post 3458345)
The article said the transmissions were developed jointly with ZF, which would be a very good thing. I remember they build very stout transmissions.
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Originally Posted by AZIPOD
(Post 3458483)
The ZF transmissions are used in a lot of cars. However, the way they were programmed and designed for the E65/E66 (2002+ 7-series) were very bad. As a result, nearly every E65/E66 had transmissino problems. There's a speculation of the cause was that it may be software-related. Hopefully BMW got it right this time around so this newer generation wouldn't have the same problems.
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It's interesting how closely they matched the MB V12TT, for those that are familiar notice the Airbox/Turbo/intercooler layout, it's spot-on....
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/1...y_as-500-2.jpg |
Originally Posted by bobgodd
(Post 3458533)
Hmm, I didn't know that. I do know that the ZF 6-speeds used in the GM F-body's were very strong and capable.
With the 7-series, the ZF's reliability was horrible. In fact, the very reason why Harjo and I got a E55 was because our 7s were lemoned out due to transmission issues (among other problems). I believe the problem affected all 745/750/760, 545/550, and 645/650s. They all used the same transmission with similar tranny software. |
Originally Posted by TMC M5
(Post 3457786)
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=145726
The stock #'s are pretty impressive...V12TT with 536hp and 553lbs-ft of torque mated to an 8 speed tranny . This is a pretty serious rival. However, I wonder how far you can push the boost with that 8 speed tranny? :nix: Tom |
Originally Posted by Thericker
(Post 3458666)
It's interesting how closely they matched the MB V12TT, for those that are familiar notice the Airbox/Turbo/intercooler layout...
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/1...y_as-500-2.jpg So this likely is the new MB V12 with some BMW bits bolted on. This is how both firms are looking to cut costs. If they dont both companies wont be around long term IMHO. The market is going to get more and more competitive to where you cant have 15 different motors and 10 different chassis. BMW even has a new back bone system coming where the 3,5,7 all share the same core structure and that it is just jumbled around to make the different models. |
Originally Posted by Thericker
(Post 3458666)
It's interesting how closely they matched the MB V12TT, for those that are familiar notice the Airbox/Turbo/intercooler layout...
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/1...y_as-500-2.jpg Tom |
Originally Posted by AZIPOD
(Post 3458685)
All around, the BMW will be a better driver's car. However, the V12TT numbers aren't that impressive compared to the S600. The S65 on the other hand (even the previous generation version), will blow it away.
Tom |
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Originally Posted by TMC M5
(Post 3458689)
Actually, BMW mounted the turbos in the "Vee" of the engine (the valley between the cylinder heads)... our turbos are built into the bottom of the exhaust manifolds.
Tom |
BMW
At least they got the tailpipe tips right, not like the LOVELY hemeroidal errr trapazeeze-oidal 212 E63s.
GG |
In the documentary/movie "Pumping Iron", Arnold was to Franco as the Mercedes Benz is to BMW. :D A few quotes:
"Franco is pretty smart, but Franco's a child, and when it comes to the day of the contest, I am his father" "I don't have any weak points. I had weak points three years ago, but my main thing in mind is, my goal always was, to even out everything to the point... that everything is perfect." |
Originally Posted by TMC M5
(Post 3458689)
Actually, BMW mounted the turbos in the "Vee" of the engine (the valley between the cylinder heads)... our turbos are built into the bottom of the exhaust manifolds.
Tom There is no doubt that this is a much more advanced engine than the MB, with gasoline direct-injection technology, probably 4 valves per cylinder and variable valve control as is standard on every modern engine. :y |
Originally Posted by TMC M5
(Post 3458689)
Actually, BMW mounted the turbos in the "Vee" of the engine (the valley between the cylinder heads)... our turbos are built into the bottom of the exhaust manifolds.
Tom https://img137.imageshack.us/img137/...mini21lxq0.jpg And here is a better image to show turbo placement on the 4.4L twin turbo http://subscribers.wardsauto.com/ima...rbo-engine.jpg |
You guys are right....I was thinking of the V8TT...my bad. :y
Some cool pics of the V12TT engine: http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/04/09/bm...led/p90045915/ Tom |
Originally Posted by TMC M5
(Post 3459197)
You guys are right....I was thinking of the V8TT...my bad. :y
Some cool pics of the V12TT engine: http://www.bmwblog.com/2009/04/09/bm...led/p90045915/ Tom I wonder how they get away w/Copyright Infringement laws? The Air-box design (albeit s_hite) is exactly the same:nix:& the basic layout of Twin-turbo piping to & from air-boxes & Intercoolers is nearly an exact copy of MB V12TT 600/65... Edit:I missed your post;)
Originally Posted by CynCarvin32
(Post 3458686)
There was an article about MB and BMW sharing motors coming up and that BMW was getting MB's replacement V12 motor for use in their big body cars.
So this likely is the new MB V12 with some BMW bits bolted on. This is how both firms are looking to cut costs. If they dont both companies wont be around long term IMHO. The market is going to get more and more competitive to where you cant have 15 different motors and 10 different chassis. BMW even has a new back bone system coming where the 3,5,7 all share the same core structure and that it is just jumbled around to make the different models. |
Originally Posted by BRUTALLYHONEST
(Post 3459141)
In the documentary/movie "Pumping Iron", Arnold was to Franco as the Mercedes Benz is to BMW. :D A few quotes:
"Franco is pretty smart, but Franco's a child, and when it comes to the day of the contest, I am his father" "I don't have any weak points. I had weak points three years ago, but my main thing in mind is, my goal always was, to even out everything to the point... that everything is perfect." How bout towards the end a fan asks Arnold "Do you drink a lot of non-fat milk?" Arnold replies "Milk is for babies! When you grow-up you drink BEER!!":D |
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