Vancouver Dyno Day Results. (Eurocharged tuning/OE tuning)
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Tony,
I have to jump in on this specific post. First of all if you saw the actual pull you would know the dyno couldn't read my Torque numbers unless the OBD2 was plugged in. Second my dyno numbers have ZERO and again I say ZERO reflection on OE Tuning.
I have already previously mentioned while with the techs at Jawada Motorsport I wasn't expecting much because of Belt slip Issues and boost issues. Even he agreed by looking at the graph after my run and you could clearly see my boost level completely fluctuate after 3000rpm (I believe there is a boost leak issue somewhere or even a by-pass throttle body issue).
I only had ONE proper run if you could even call it that and yes.. ONE proper run.. the car kept kicking-down on the first attempt and without the OBD2 plugged for the dyno on the first run the mustang dyno couldn't record anything. Also because I had my Dashdaq to datalog my run that's why they couldn't use the OBD2. One more thing, this is the FIRST dyno and Ive been on a couple dynos, that did NOT have a sniffer AFR reader. It was required to have a bung preinstalled precat to read AFRs. I'm not sure how many members here actually bother installing a bung Pre-Cat for a dyno? haha but off topic... By the time my car was on the dyno at 5:11 (the shop closes at 5:00) i send some logs to Jeremy and told him my boost issue. Before anything could be sent back to tune my injectors I was requested to go ahead and do my last run.
Second run I agreed and said sure why not, we'll just run the car without my wideband plugged in and we can use OBD2 plug for the dyno and see what it can even pickup. The car had to run on 4th gear and KICK DOWN to 3rd. Never had to do that before and I'm sure anybody else on this board familiar with dyno runs will know this is a big NO NO. So the result of that run was what was recorded.
If they posted the graph with boost and not just numbers you could see the power curve was steep from 1500-3000 rpm and drops immediately. Boost initially was at (13.5 PSI and after 3000rpm dropped to 3psi all the way from 3000-6700). This was ALSO recorded through the dyno and my DashDaq.
So I do not agree with bashing OE Tuning by using my car. To be honest, I just read that post a couple minutes ago and lets just say I'm not very impressed by what was said. Either way I'm glad there were happy customers at the end of the day.
In the end I will support OE Tuning all the way because I believe in their product and of course Jeremy.
Not much more have to be said, but I just have to speak up when you use my car to bash OE Tuning.
Thanks
I have to jump in on this specific post. First of all if you saw the actual pull you would know the dyno couldn't read my Torque numbers unless the OBD2 was plugged in. Second my dyno numbers have ZERO and again I say ZERO reflection on OE Tuning.
I have already previously mentioned while with the techs at Jawada Motorsport I wasn't expecting much because of Belt slip Issues and boost issues. Even he agreed by looking at the graph after my run and you could clearly see my boost level completely fluctuate after 3000rpm (I believe there is a boost leak issue somewhere or even a by-pass throttle body issue).
I only had ONE proper run if you could even call it that and yes.. ONE proper run.. the car kept kicking-down on the first attempt and without the OBD2 plugged for the dyno on the first run the mustang dyno couldn't record anything. Also because I had my Dashdaq to datalog my run that's why they couldn't use the OBD2. One more thing, this is the FIRST dyno and Ive been on a couple dynos, that did NOT have a sniffer AFR reader. It was required to have a bung preinstalled precat to read AFRs. I'm not sure how many members here actually bother installing a bung Pre-Cat for a dyno? haha but off topic... By the time my car was on the dyno at 5:11 (the shop closes at 5:00) i send some logs to Jeremy and told him my boost issue. Before anything could be sent back to tune my injectors I was requested to go ahead and do my last run.
Second run I agreed and said sure why not, we'll just run the car without my wideband plugged in and we can use OBD2 plug for the dyno and see what it can even pickup. The car had to run on 4th gear and KICK DOWN to 3rd. Never had to do that before and I'm sure anybody else on this board familiar with dyno runs will know this is a big NO NO. So the result of that run was what was recorded.
If they posted the graph with boost and not just numbers you could see the power curve was steep from 1500-3000 rpm and drops immediately. Boost initially was at (13.5 PSI and after 3000rpm dropped to 3psi all the way from 3000-6700). This was ALSO recorded through the dyno and my DashDaq.
So I do not agree with bashing OE Tuning by using my car. To be honest, I just read that post a couple minutes ago and lets just say I'm not very impressed by what was said. Either way I'm glad there were happy customers at the end of the day.
In the end I will support OE Tuning all the way because I believe in their product and of course Jeremy.
Not much more have to be said, but I just have to speak up when you use my car to bash OE Tuning.
Thanks
The dyno couldn't read numbers because the car kept kicking down into different gears... Im not trying to knock on OE, you or anyone for that matter. I am just stating what I saw, and posted the results. I am not putting anyone down, especially you! If you refer back to my original post here is what I said:
Quinton shangoAshe s55 with 180 pulley, LTH 365hp/477tq he will chime in, was experiencing some problems... Perhaps post your dyno graphs so the pros on here can see whats going on...?
So dont get so fired up! Everyone knows one thing, dyno numbers dont mean ****, take it to the track and see what it does, and we have seen what your car does, and it is very impressive at the track and on the street!
Again, this was only a dyno day, and for flashing. No where did I say it would be a custom dyno tuning day, otherwise I would have told everyone to have the bungs welded in. We were just looking for numbers, thats all. If you or anyone else were wanting to get custom dyno tuning done, perhaps it would have been better to contact JMS directly and figure out the details. I assumed EC/OE would bring something to see our AFR's, but they assumed the shop would have something, the shop unfortuantly didnt for us, but since they dont really deal with blown Benz's that often you cant blame them. Really no one was at fault here, it was just a mix up.
As you support/hype OE, I support Jerry and Eurocharged because clearly OE couldn't do the job for me, when Eurocharged did! I had first hand experiance with both companies.
Tony
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great numbers guys, I'm glad everyone liked the EC tunes,
I try and stay out of the tuner wars as much as I can, but I'm sorry, the above quote is just total crap, this is something EC would NEVER do and I cant beleive that OE would say something like this in an open forum, a pretty bold statement if you ask me and it makes me ashamed to be an Australian LOL,
I've seen my tune in the raw and its perfectly safe, if you want to see a REALLY nice tune come down to Houston and have a look at Sharduls tune Jerry did for the TTM injectors I've seen cars with Motec or Autronic stand alone systems that dont read that clean,
I've seen my tune in the raw and its perfectly safe, if you want to see a REALLY nice tune come down to Houston and have a look at Sharduls tune Jerry did for the TTM injectors I've seen cars with Motec or Autronic stand alone systems that dont read that clean,
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u are comparing a diesel to a gaser. I could also say that I made twice the hp as the E-Class CDI. I didnt because both cars are for different purposes and its completly pointless to make such a comment as its just going to start a flame war.
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Hey Q,
The dyno couldn't read numbers because the car kept kicking down into different gears... Im not trying to knock on OE, you or anyone for that matter. I am just stating what I saw, and posted the results. I am not putting anyone down, especially you! If you refer back to my original post here is what I said:
Quinton shangoAshe s55 with 180 pulley, LTH 365hp/477tq he will chime in, was experiencing some problems... Perhaps post your dyno graphs so the pros on here can see whats going on...?
So dont get so fired up! Everyone knows one thing, dyno numbers dont mean ****, take it to the track and see what it does, and we have seen what your car does, and it is very impressive at the track and on the street!
Again, this was only a dyno day, and for flashing. No where did I say it would be a custom dyno tuning day, otherwise I would have told everyone to have the bungs welded in. We were just looking for numbers, thats all. If you or anyone else were wanting to get custom dyno tuning done, perhaps it would have been better to contact JMS directly and figure out the details. I assumed EC/OE would bring something to see our AFR's, but they assumed the shop would have something, the shop unfortuantly didnt for us, but since they dont really deal with blown Benz's that often you cant blame them. Really no one was at fault here, it was just a mix up.
As you support/hype OE, I support Jerry and Eurocharged because clearly OE couldn't do the job for me, when Eurocharged did! I had first hand experiance with both companies.
Tony
The dyno couldn't read numbers because the car kept kicking down into different gears... Im not trying to knock on OE, you or anyone for that matter. I am just stating what I saw, and posted the results. I am not putting anyone down, especially you! If you refer back to my original post here is what I said:
Quinton shangoAshe s55 with 180 pulley, LTH 365hp/477tq he will chime in, was experiencing some problems... Perhaps post your dyno graphs so the pros on here can see whats going on...?
So dont get so fired up! Everyone knows one thing, dyno numbers dont mean ****, take it to the track and see what it does, and we have seen what your car does, and it is very impressive at the track and on the street!
Again, this was only a dyno day, and for flashing. No where did I say it would be a custom dyno tuning day, otherwise I would have told everyone to have the bungs welded in. We were just looking for numbers, thats all. If you or anyone else were wanting to get custom dyno tuning done, perhaps it would have been better to contact JMS directly and figure out the details. I assumed EC/OE would bring something to see our AFR's, but they assumed the shop would have something, the shop unfortuantly didnt for us, but since they dont really deal with blown Benz's that often you cant blame them. Really no one was at fault here, it was just a mix up.
As you support/hype OE, I support Jerry and Eurocharged because clearly OE couldn't do the job for me, when Eurocharged did! I had first hand experiance with both companies.
Tony
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good question....
I am going to head over to Miller performance in Abbotsford when summer comes since they have a tailpipe sniffer and the 45mins highway drive will get my engine and exhaust up to temp for the tailpipe wideband.
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There are cars out their that put down more tq than diesels as well... there is no end. Not starting a flame war, don't want one, so relax, we were all their to have a good time and we did!
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Wish we could do the same thing up in Utah. Then we could spend the rest of the day complaining how rotten the cars run up here!
You gotta attend a track day up here. It's 20% racing, 80% complaining!!
Great numbers. Can't believe you guys went ahead without A/F meters. You are animals!!
You gotta attend a track day up here. It's 20% racing, 80% complaining!!
Great numbers. Can't believe you guys went ahead without A/F meters. You are animals!!
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Wish we could do the same thing up in Utah. Then we could spend the rest of the day complaining how rotten the cars run up here!
You gotta attend a track day up here. It's 20% racing, 80% complaining!!
Great numbers. Can't believe you guys went ahead without A/F meters. You are animals!!
You gotta attend a track day up here. It's 20% racing, 80% complaining!!
Great numbers. Can't believe you guys went ahead without A/F meters. You are animals!!
Well I had my trust in Jerrys tune
Didnt hear pinging so all was good After I do few adjustments this comming week, going to re-dyno with BUNG installed to see AFR etc
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Im happy with my tune, driving around you can definitely tell the differnece. Gonna get my cm30 installed and hit the dyno again. Some nice numbers there boys, vick wtf do you feed your car damn thats nice for stock. Good meeting everyone, tony well hit the dyno up again when im running properly. All in all good day, im happy with the results.
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Im happy with my tune, driving around you can definitely tell the differnece. Gonna get my cm30 installed and hit the dyno again. Some nice numbers there boys, vick wtf do you feed your car damn thats nice for stock. Good meeting everyone, tony well hit the dyno up again when im running properly. All in all good day, im happy with the results.
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HE is only necessary if you do a bigger pulley but never hurts to do any cooling mods even of your stock. Speed syndicate can def install it and your pump as well. They know their ****. Talk to Curtis or Alex.
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T-Bal is right, cooling mods never hurt and the guys at TSS knows their **** well. I send all my friends there!
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But you forgot that his IC pump wasnt working, hence the heat soak. 180 IATs lol. If his pump was working like the rest of ours, he could have done a few runs like the rest of us without any issues... (im stock pump, HE too btw). I ran 4-5 runs at the track last summer, and "heatsoak" didnt change my 1/4 times at all because their was sufficient time in between runs. Most people only upgrade their HE when they do a 175+ pulley.
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It's a high rev V10, they focus more on balance and high end horespower unlike the 55/63 engine. F1 engine only makes less than 250tq... but they produces over 700hp, it's just how the engineers design their engine differently.
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Lets not start a m5 vs 55/63 war again... but don't know how the f1 engine has anything to do with the s85. Completly different... those f1 motors make 700-1100hp and rev to 18000 rpm lol
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Pretty obvious the dyno had problems reading TQ numbers as Jerry from Eurocharged suggested. As for M5 bs E55 arguement, eason is pretty much dead on. It may not rev as high and make ad much power as a f1 engine. But it sure does have it in mind when they made it, but they adapted the trchnology for the street. Afterall u can't rebuild a street car engine every 200kms...lol
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we can all blame the dyno...forget the dyno...let see the mph at the end of the track, mission street legals are on fridays, pretty easy to see if the cars are making what they say, weight of car + MPH at the end of track + measurement of HP...very simple
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FYI: The S55 had a boost leak (seen in logs). The leak was going to be fixed before any dyno takes place.
I did not want to go here as I know this will cause a flamewar..... But, I feel there is some information that the vehicle owner's do not know. After reading the EC file from the E55, it was seen to be a copy of a POWERCHIP file made as a custom dyno tune for a highly modified E55 (owner is an mbworld member). I have read other copied Powerchip files from Eurocharged/LET tuned vehicles. 2 of these files were read from E55K's after EC/LET tuning cause engine failure (owners are mbworld members too). There are others too (PM me for details).
From the ecu read on Saturday, a total of 59 maps were found to be identical to a Powerchip file's changes. The speedlimiter is even identical. These are changes unlike any other tuner, and some of these maps are not changed by other tuners. What are the maps you coppied, and what do they do? I know, because I made the file for Powerchip. Proof can be provided to those who ask via PM.
Why buy a Powerchip file, when you can get a coppied one from a highly modded car for $400? BTW, this file is a custom tune for a highly modded car. Changes to the back pressure maps can be dangerous in the wrong vehicle. Others too..... Copy tuners kill cars and the industry.
How tuning works: Each byte 0h (address) can have a value 0-255 (256 8bit), address range of 0-7FFF (0-32767 addresses). To change hundreds/thousands of these bytes identically the same as another tuner is impossible. Byte sequences are porposly placed by tuners for this indentification purpose. PC id bytes were present in read file.
Anyone wanting verification of the origin of their tune, I will offer my services for free (no free tunes included).
I did not want to go here as I know this will cause a flamewar..... But, I feel there is some information that the vehicle owner's do not know. After reading the EC file from the E55, it was seen to be a copy of a POWERCHIP file made as a custom dyno tune for a highly modified E55 (owner is an mbworld member). I have read other copied Powerchip files from Eurocharged/LET tuned vehicles. 2 of these files were read from E55K's after EC/LET tuning cause engine failure (owners are mbworld members too). There are others too (PM me for details).
From the ecu read on Saturday, a total of 59 maps were found to be identical to a Powerchip file's changes. The speedlimiter is even identical. These are changes unlike any other tuner, and some of these maps are not changed by other tuners. What are the maps you coppied, and what do they do? I know, because I made the file for Powerchip. Proof can be provided to those who ask via PM.
Why buy a Powerchip file, when you can get a coppied one from a highly modded car for $400? BTW, this file is a custom tune for a highly modded car. Changes to the back pressure maps can be dangerous in the wrong vehicle. Others too..... Copy tuners kill cars and the industry.
How tuning works: Each byte 0h (address) can have a value 0-255 (256 8bit), address range of 0-7FFF (0-32767 addresses). To change hundreds/thousands of these bytes identically the same as another tuner is impossible. Byte sequences are porposly placed by tuners for this indentification purpose. PC id bytes were present in read file.
Anyone wanting verification of the origin of their tune, I will offer my services for free (no free tunes included).
Last edited by SALES@OETUNING; May 9, 2011 at 11:24 AM.
