Looped fuel rail install help
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I will help you install that looped fuel rail. This is how you do it.
I hate when people read something that is a dumb trend and think they need it and then further more that other businesses take advantage of these people and make it to sell to them knowing damn well they don't need it.
How did E55s make well over 500whp several years ago with no looped fuel rail? How did E55s run 10s several years ago with no looped fuel rail? Was it magic? No it was because it is not needed and is a complete joke started by TTM because he is con artist and convinced people they needed it. Unfortunately now one or two others are making them to make a buck because they know people out there will buy them that don't know any better.
I hate when people read something that is a dumb trend and think they need it and then further more that other businesses take advantage of these people and make it to sell to them knowing damn well they don't need it.
How did E55s make well over 500whp several years ago with no looped fuel rail? How did E55s run 10s several years ago with no looped fuel rail? Was it magic? No it was because it is not needed and is a complete joke started by TTM because he is con artist and convinced people they needed it. Unfortunately now one or two others are making them to make a buck because they know people out there will buy them that don't know any better.
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I will help you install that looped fuel rail. This is how you do it.
I hate when people read something that is a dumb trend and think they need it and then further more that other businesses take advantage of these people and make it to sell to them knowing damn well they don't need it.
How did E55s make well over 500whp several years ago with no looped fuel rail? How did E55s run 10s several years ago with no looped fuel rail? Was it magic? No it was because it is not needed and is a complete joke started by TTM because he is con artist and convinced people they needed it. Unfortunately now one or two others are making them to make a buck because they know people out there will buy them that don't know any better.
I hate when people read something that is a dumb trend and think they need it and then further more that other businesses take advantage of these people and make it to sell to them knowing damn well they don't need it.
How did E55s make well over 500whp several years ago with no looped fuel rail? How did E55s run 10s several years ago with no looped fuel rail? Was it magic? No it was because it is not needed and is a complete joke started by TTM because he is con artist and convinced people they needed it. Unfortunately now one or two others are making them to make a buck because they know people out there will buy them that don't know any better.
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The looped fuel rail actually DOES work, but not for the reasons most people think...
Take a look at all the threads where people post up about clogged fuel filters and melted plugs on the fuel pump wiring. As these cars get older, the fuel pump/filter assemblies get loaded up with crap and start restricting fuel flow. Either through ignorance or stubbornness, owners aren't replacing these parts at 60,000 miles (as required by MBZ) so the fuel delivery to the engine gets weaker and weaker over time.....
Guys install larger injectors, increase boost and HP, dramatically increasing the need for fuel....but in reality the volume of fuel is slowly being reduced by old, dirty fuel filters. I believe the looped fuel rail might have just been a "band-aid" for cars who's fuel systems were losing efficiency due to age / lack of maintenance. It helped to normalize pressure a bit better across all 8 cylinders than the factory setup.
I don't have any hard data to prove any of this, but it's just a theory I've been playing with in my head.
-G
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MY THEORY:
The looped fuel rail actually DOES work, but not for the reasons most people think...
Take a look at all the threads where people post up about clogged fuel filters and melted plugs on the fuel pump wiring. As these cars get older, the fuel pump/filter assemblies get loaded up with crap and start restricting fuel flow. Either through ignorance or stubbornness, owners aren't replacing these parts at 60,000 miles (as required by MBZ) so the fuel delivery to the engine gets weaker and weaker over time.....
Guys increase boost and HP, increasing the need for fuel....but in reality the volume of fuel is slowly being reduced by old, dirty fuel filters. I believe the looped fuel rail might have just been a "band-aid" for cars who's fuel systems were losing efficiency due to age / lack of maintenance. It helped to normalize pressure a bit better across all 8 cylinders than the factory setup.
I don't have any hard data to prove any of this, but it's just a theory I've been playing with in my head.
-G
The looped fuel rail actually DOES work, but not for the reasons most people think...
Take a look at all the threads where people post up about clogged fuel filters and melted plugs on the fuel pump wiring. As these cars get older, the fuel pump/filter assemblies get loaded up with crap and start restricting fuel flow. Either through ignorance or stubbornness, owners aren't replacing these parts at 60,000 miles (as required by MBZ) so the fuel delivery to the engine gets weaker and weaker over time.....
Guys increase boost and HP, increasing the need for fuel....but in reality the volume of fuel is slowly being reduced by old, dirty fuel filters. I believe the looped fuel rail might have just been a "band-aid" for cars who's fuel systems were losing efficiency due to age / lack of maintenance. It helped to normalize pressure a bit better across all 8 cylinders than the factory setup.
I don't have any hard data to prove any of this, but it's just a theory I've been playing with in my head.
-G
I'm at 58k, didn't even know I had to change the fuel filters at 60k. I'll order me some!
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Okay thanks for the clarification. But being that it's already apart now and ready to go back together, I believe I'l just see this through. snake oil or not.
Direct me to the thread where the internet engineers proclaimed this was less than useless, as I have clearly missed it?
Direct me to the thread where the internet engineers proclaimed this was less than useless, as I have clearly missed it?
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Okay thanks for the clarification. But being that it's already apart now and ready to go back together, I believe I'l just see this through. snake oil or not.
Direct me to the thread where the internet engineers proclaimed this was less than useless, as I have clearly missed it?
Direct me to the thread where the internet engineers proclaimed this was less than useless, as I have clearly missed it?
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This place is a joke.
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Okay thanks for the clarification. But being that it's already apart now and ready to go back together, I believe I'l just see this through. snake oil or not.
Direct me to the thread where the internet engineers proclaimed this was less than useless, as I have clearly missed it?
Direct me to the thread where the internet engineers proclaimed this was less than useless, as I have clearly missed it?
If this is a useless requirement Mercedes AMG would not of used it on the SLR
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MY THEORY:
The looped fuel rail actually DOES work, but not for the reasons most people think...
Take a look at all the threads where people post up about clogged fuel filters and melted plugs on the fuel pump wiring. As these cars get older, the fuel pump/filter assemblies get loaded up with crap and start restricting fuel flow. Either through ignorance or stubbornness, owners aren't replacing these parts at 60,000 miles (as required by MBZ) so the fuel delivery to the engine gets weaker and weaker over time.....
Guys install larger injectors, increase boost and HP, dramatically increasing the need for fuel....but in reality the volume of fuel is slowly being reduced by old, dirty fuel filters. I believe the looped fuel rail might have just been a "band-aid" for cars who's fuel systems were losing efficiency due to age / lack of maintenance. It helped to normalize pressure a bit better across all 8 cylinders than the factory setup.
I don't have any hard data to prove any of this, but it's just a theory I've been playing with in my head.
-G
The looped fuel rail actually DOES work, but not for the reasons most people think...
Take a look at all the threads where people post up about clogged fuel filters and melted plugs on the fuel pump wiring. As these cars get older, the fuel pump/filter assemblies get loaded up with crap and start restricting fuel flow. Either through ignorance or stubbornness, owners aren't replacing these parts at 60,000 miles (as required by MBZ) so the fuel delivery to the engine gets weaker and weaker over time.....
Guys install larger injectors, increase boost and HP, dramatically increasing the need for fuel....but in reality the volume of fuel is slowly being reduced by old, dirty fuel filters. I believe the looped fuel rail might have just been a "band-aid" for cars who's fuel systems were losing efficiency due to age / lack of maintenance. It helped to normalize pressure a bit better across all 8 cylinders than the factory setup.
I don't have any hard data to prove any of this, but it's just a theory I've been playing with in my head.
-G
Very good info., fully agreed with every WORD.....
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A looped rail is not a waste...As others have pointed out most performance cars have them and MB designed the SLR with a looped rail. As for the cost of replacing the fuel filters and assembly it is less than $500, so not that bad.
Hopefully greasemonkey can help us with how to replace just the filters....Otherwise it is just a ~$500 weekend job.
Hopefully greasemonkey can help us with how to replace just the filters....Otherwise it is just a ~$500 weekend job.
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Don't mean to take this thread off track...but if you're installing a looped rail, I'd be more concerned about your fuel filter if your car has more than 50k miles. That is the service interval from MB, and I've taken them apart at this mileage and they get very dirty. The FILTER is integrated along with the pressure regulator (another reason to replace the assembly)into the LH (drivers side) fuel sender. That sender unit can be replaced without replacing the pump(s) (RH side). However, you will have to remove the passenger side sender cover to disconnect the hoses and wires inside the tank that run to the filter on the driver's side. For parts, you will need---
Drivers side fuel sender (filter) assembly
2 sender seals
1 small hose clamp (for fuel line to engine on top of sender)
The filter assembly is ONLY available from MB, there is no aftermarket option. The pumps are available aftermarket if you dare.
That's it...I think some of you are confused with the fuel pump strainers (socks) attached to the pumps themselves. These are designed only to capture large particles, and there is no need to change these ever, unless your "ex" dumps sand into your tank, or other major fuel contamination. Those "socks" are designed to last the life of the pumps.
If the electrical connector to the pump (passenger side,on the lid) is burnt/melted, usually due to a clogged filter- You will have to replace the pumps as well.
Drivers side fuel sender (filter) assembly
2 sender seals
1 small hose clamp (for fuel line to engine on top of sender)
The filter assembly is ONLY available from MB, there is no aftermarket option. The pumps are available aftermarket if you dare.
That's it...I think some of you are confused with the fuel pump strainers (socks) attached to the pumps themselves. These are designed only to capture large particles, and there is no need to change these ever, unless your "ex" dumps sand into your tank, or other major fuel contamination. Those "socks" are designed to last the life of the pumps.
If the electrical connector to the pump (passenger side,on the lid) is burnt/melted, usually due to a clogged filter- You will have to replace the pumps as well.
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Don't mean to take this thread off track...but if you're installing a looped rail, I'd be more concerned about your fuel filter if your car has more than 50k miles. That is the service interval from MB, and I've taken them apart at this mileage and they get very dirty. The FILTER is integrated along with the pressure regulator (another reason to replace the assembly)into the LH (drivers side) fuel sender. That sender unit can be replaced without replacing the pump(s) (RH side). However, you will have to remove the passenger side sender cover to disconnect the hoses and wires inside the tank that run to the filter on the driver's side. For parts, you will need---
Drivers side fuel sender (filter) assembly
2 sender seals
1 small hose clamp (for fuel line to engine on top of sender)
The filter assembly is ONLY available from MB, there is no aftermarket option. The pumps are available aftermarket if you dare.
That's it...I think some of you are confused with the fuel pump strainers (socks) attached to the pumps themselves. These are designed only to capture large particles, and there is no need to change these ever, unless your "ex" dumps sand into your tank, or other major fuel contamination. Those "socks" are designed to last the life of the pumps.
If the electrical connector to the pump (passenger side,on the lid) is burnt/melted, usually due to a clogged filter- You will have to replace the pumps as well.
Drivers side fuel sender (filter) assembly
2 sender seals
1 small hose clamp (for fuel line to engine on top of sender)
The filter assembly is ONLY available from MB, there is no aftermarket option. The pumps are available aftermarket if you dare.
That's it...I think some of you are confused with the fuel pump strainers (socks) attached to the pumps themselves. These are designed only to capture large particles, and there is no need to change these ever, unless your "ex" dumps sand into your tank, or other major fuel contamination. Those "socks" are designed to last the life of the pumps.
If the electrical connector to the pump (passenger side,on the lid) is burnt/melted, usually due to a clogged filter- You will have to replace the pumps as well.
