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A-A-Ron Mar 4, 2015 07:29 PM

Why don't more people swap the airmatic for coilovers
 
I am just curious in general. Is it that many people have done it and they just dont talk about it?

My airmatic is gone, and rather than chase gremlins and deal with the constant headache that is airmatic I am going to swap out to coilovers in the near future. As I collect my parts and decide on a coilover kit I am wondering how many people have actually made the conversion, and are they happy with it.

forcefed4door Mar 4, 2015 07:40 PM

Because the airmatic is a luxury... I love the on the fly adjustability and will for sure replace mine with Arnott when the time comes. I'll never buy another car that doesn't come with air suspension 😀

RedBullJnky Mar 4, 2015 07:50 PM

I love my coil overs! Wish I would have done it sooner.

HeissRod Mar 4, 2015 07:54 PM

Main reason? Resale. I don't want to have to convince a potential buyer, who knows nothing about the E55, that coilovers are better than the factory suspension.

Secondary reason? I have to have the raise function to get in my driveway without scratching the front lip to hell.

e500slr Mar 4, 2015 09:01 PM

I have heard nothing but good things about coilovers and they're more reliable.

I do love the adjustability though. I love putting it into Comfort and making the car feel like an old muscle car that's really boaty but savagely fast :D Then when you put it into Sport II it's actually pretty stiff and feels very controllable.

People who have done coilovers have said they are night and day better in handling than the Airmatic so you can't argue with that but rubbing the nose on driveways and speed humps could get very costly and very annoying.

G_Money Mar 4, 2015 10:29 PM

Since I live in a place with really ****ty roads and driveways, being able to raise up to not scrape my front bumper or rip a front lip off is a great feature.

vikingdiesel Mar 4, 2015 11:59 PM


Originally Posted by RedBullJnky (Post 6352808)
I love my coil overs! Wish I would have done it sooner.

OT, but do you pretty much have the quickest/fastest E55?

OCKlasse Mar 5, 2015 12:09 AM

I have brand new rear non-Airmatic control arms for anyone looking to do the swap :)

austingtir Mar 5, 2015 01:09 AM

All airmatic guys need to do is get arnott replacements and do the handling mods as mentioned in the recent handling thread and the car is fine imo.

Seriously the sway bar mod and adjusting castor makes a massive difference to these cars.

Id be interested to hear from someone with coilovers who has done the castor mod to see if they felt it made a big difference.

Iv already got another car with coilovers (nissan pulsar GTIR which is like an old evo) so putting coilovers on any merc like this to me is just a waste of time other than the reliablility factor which I can understand.

RedBullJnky Mar 5, 2015 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by vikingdiesel (Post 6353098)
OT, but do you pretty much have the quickest/fastest E55?

Yes, and soon to be the first 9sec E55.

bobgodd Mar 5, 2015 11:04 AM

For me the car is a daily driver, and I'm more interested in comfortably getting to work than tearing up a track. Also I have 147,xxx miles and my airmatic hasn't failed yet so I won't bother messing with it until I need to. This car will never handle super well, so it kind of seems like a waste of money.

TheTherapist Mar 5, 2015 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by RedBullJnky (Post 6353350)
Yes, and soon to be the first 9sec E55.

Been patiently waiting.... :naughty:

Thought you might even be there by now...

:):D

tolentino71 Mar 5, 2015 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by bobgodd (Post 6353537)
For me the car is a daily driver, and I'm more interested in comfortably getting to work than tearing up a track. Also I have 147,xxx miles and my airmatic hasn't failed yet so I won't bother messing with it until I need to. This car will never handle super well, so it kind of seems like a waste of money.

Totally agree!!! :y

patrick_y Mar 5, 2015 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by bobgodd (Post 6353537)
For me the car is a daily driver, and I'm more interested in comfortably getting to work than tearing up a track. Also I have 147,xxx miles and my airmatic hasn't failed yet so I won't bother messing with it until I need to. This car will never handle super well, so it kind of seems like a waste of money.

Crossing my fingers that my Airmatic struts last as long as yours have.

I've heard of cars with 170k miles (W220 S500) on their original airmatic struts.

I've heard of a 27k mile old non modified W211 car that required a strut replacement. That car was often driven on poor roads.

Elhonaz Mar 5, 2015 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by austingtir (Post 6353160)
All airmatic guys need to do is get arnott replacements and do the handling mods as mentioned in the recent handling thread and the car is fine imo.

Seriously the sway bar mod and adjusting castor makes a massive difference to these cars.


What is this? Never crossed my eye? Didnt find with search eigther:confused:

JDM_SXE-10 Mar 5, 2015 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by Elhonaz (Post 6353823)
What is this? Never crossed my eye? Didnt find with search eigther:confused:

Arnott Industries is a company that remanufactures OEM air shocks and sells them for much less than Mercedes-Benz. They also come with a lifetime warranty.

HeissRod Mar 5, 2015 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by Elhonaz (Post 6353823)
What is this? Never crossed my eye? Didnt find with search eigther:confused:

If you're asking about the handling mods, they are discussed here
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...handleing.html

A-A-Ron Mar 5, 2015 05:02 PM

Thanks for the input everyone. Like I said my airmatic system failed so changing out was a no brainer for me. Plus I prefer a more stiff and firm ride. Just wanted to make sure nobody came out of the wood works with major complaints, haha.

patrick_y Mar 5, 2015 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by HeissRod (Post 6353926)
If you're asking about the handling mods, they are discussed here
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...handleing.html

He probably couldn't find it in the search since the title is mis-spelled. That's of course assuming that the searcher spells handling correctly.

Yacht Master Mar 5, 2015 08:55 PM

1 Attachment(s)
For those that have little understanding of AirMatic here is some info.
The attached PDF is for standard AirMatic the E55 got the "Airmatic DC".
I like that it can change ,
Ride Hight & speed sensitive ride hight.
Spring rate - Dual Chamber
Electronically controlled valving in the shocks, with a mode that is automatic.

Attachment 305091

I know it is a complex system and requires a spray bottle with soapy water to find leaks. I understand the pain of an unexpected discovery that your whip is slammed 30 miles from home. For some, the need for reliability makes the coil-over a necessity.
The cost factor??? I am thinking the coil-overs parts alone are about $2000 VS Arnott, wow you can replace most of the Airmatic 2 front 2 rears and new compressor & relay with lifetime warranty $2000. Is that right? can somebody check this...

Lastly read this,
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...handleing.html

jgro1976 Mar 5, 2015 09:05 PM

One question about the Arnott struts, do they adjust with the "sport1", "sport2", and "comfort" settings?? I asked Arnott, they weren't very helpful.

HeissRod Mar 5, 2015 11:01 PM


Originally Posted by jgro1976 (Post 6354321)
One question about the Arnott struts, do they adjust with the "sport1", "sport2", and "comfort" settings?? I asked Arnott, they weren't very helpful.

yes

Duc1098E500 Mar 6, 2015 09:27 AM

I love my coilovers but I do miss the quick adjustability of the airmatic. However, people who are saying with the coilover you will scape the front lip or this and that well, set it up to a driveable and useable height. I have yet to do the front sway bar mod, perhaps this weekend after I purchase bigger washers.

TheTherapist Mar 6, 2015 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by Yacht Master (Post 6354314)
For those that have little understanding of AirMatic here is some info.
The attached PDF is for standard AirMatic the E55 got the "Airmatic DC".
I like that it can change ,
Ride Hight & speed sensitive ride hight.
Spring rate - Dual Chamber
Electronically controlled valving in the shocks, with a mode that is automatic.

Attachment 305091

I know it is a complex system and requires a spray bottle with soapy water to find leaks. I understand the pain of an unexpected discovery that your whip is slammed 30 miles from home. For some, the need for reliability makes the coil-over a necessity.
The cost factor??? I am thinking the coil-overs parts alone are about $2000 VS Arnott, wow you can replace most of the Airmatic 2 front 2 rears and new compressor & relay with lifetime warranty $2000. Is that right? can somebody check this...

Lastly read this,
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...handleing.html

I like the airmatic system. It has saved me on more than one occasion when travelling rough roads and being able to raise the vehicle height to navigate dips or mounds. Even if it droops when parked that's cool, it just looks low and sexy when sitting then raises back when you start her up. Easy peasey, no harm done.

I replaced all shocks on mine with Arnotts and havent had any issues. Did the front shocks first followed by the rears 6 months later. The fronts are made from oem bilstein cores remanufactured with new goodyear bladders etc and slightly modified/improved, they feel pretty much oem. The rears are Arnotts own design. They didn't make the improvement I thought I might get but cant complain they were far less than stealership prices and close to oem feel except firmer. They also dispense with the lines and the bulbs inside the trunk lining. I'm in Australia so had to factor in exchange rates and freight etc but I reckon everything would come in under US$2000 now.

jgro1976 Mar 6, 2015 10:36 AM

One thing I've heard with the CO route, is adjustability is a *****, especially for the rears. Good to know about the Arnott setup.


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