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Old 07-05-2019, 03:10 PM
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PLM shorty vs Eurocharged mid length

Any ideas or feed back
i know long tubes are better but quality ones are crazy expensive for this car
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Not trying to be rude but There are tons of header topic threads already that should answer that.
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Originally Posted by tlambert
Not trying to be rude but There are tons of header topic threads already that should answer that.
Sorry I didn’t mention but i was looking for someone who tried or saw both in person not just theories
and most the threads are about long tubes
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Originally Posted by V8Displacement
Sorry I didn’t mention but i was looking for someone who tried or saw both in person not just theories
and most the threads are about long tubes
Mids make more power lol
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Originally Posted by AMG__POWER
Mids make more power lol
Of course mid ia more power when both have same diameter of tubes
but with eurocharged mid
there is zero information even on their website
like type of steel used and thickness , type of wielding, where is it made , collector size, tube size , flange thickness
nothing just wrote mid Length Headers
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Originally Posted by V8Displacement
Of course mid ia more power when both have same diameter of tubes
but with eurocharged mid
there is zero information even on their website
like type of steel used and thickness , type of wielding, where is it made , collector size, tube size , flange thickness
nothing just wrote mid Length Headers
No idea, but I made 489whp with tune Eurocharged mids and a 83 in bad hot Los Angeles summer temps! And they have been on my car for 4 years with no issues
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Originally Posted by V8Displacement
Of course mid ia more power when both have same diameter of tubes
but with eurocharged mid
there is zero information even on their website
like type of steel used and thickness , type of wielding, where is it made , collector size, tube size , flange thickness
nothing just wrote mid Length Headers
Oh! And there’s also a reason they are by far the most popular headers for the 113k’s
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Originally Posted by AMG__POWER
No idea, but I made 489whp with tune Eurocharged mids and a 83 in bad hot Los Angeles summer temps! And they have been on my car for 4 years with no issues
I’m not saying they are bad
but they are vague
and i’m detail oriented, if they mentioned such simple specs will make it look more attractive
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I’m not saying they are bad
but they are vague
and i’m detail oriented, if they mentioned such simple specs will make it look more attractive
I typed in google
ec mid length header specs and a bunch of articles cams up! Your answer will Defo be somewhere there
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The restriction is in the stock flange from the header to the downpipe (with the cat in it). This restriction can only be eliminated by getting rid of both. Shortie headers (PLM etc) don't do this. On dynos they typically show a small increase in low to mid range torque and the HP gain you can count on one hand if you are lucky. Mid and full length headers eliminate this huge restriction. I can't remember the exact number but it is less than a 2" diameter flange, 1 3/4 I think. All the mid length ones use stainless steel. I can't tell you the thickness. All of the collectors are sub par but this is to be expected at this price point. A burns stainless collector is more expensive than the entire set of mid length headers. Flange will be 3/8" I would guess, back purging with argon... I doubt it.
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Originally Posted by AMG__POWER
I typed in google
ec mid length header specs and a bunch of articles cams up! Your answer will Defo be somewhere there
It should be in the product website
not. Fan made
check americanmusle.com exhaust section for example
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Originally Posted by tw2
The restriction is in the stock flange from the header to the downpipe (with the cat in it). This restriction can only be eliminated by getting rid of both. Shortie headers (PLM etc) don't do this. On dynos they typically show a small increase in low to mid range torque and the HP gain you can count on one hand if you are lucky. Mid and full length headers eliminate this huge restriction. I can't remember the exact number but it is less than a 2" diameter flange, 1 3/4 I think. All the mid length ones use stainless steel. I can't tell you the thickness. All of the collectors are sub par but this is to be expected at this price point. A burns stainless collector is more expensive than the entire set of mid length headers. Flange will be 3/8" I would guess, back purging with argon... I doubt it.
Thanks for the information

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