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Old 03-05-2017, 09:18 PM
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Just out of curiosity, did you consider the new CTS-V? I had an '09 and am sure the new one is just as easy and cheap to modify.
yes I did , I don't like gm , the LT is horrible . I had great experience with Hemi before so I went same route . Not to mention price difference is 30k
to modify HC to 900 rwhp cost $6k , this is how much I paid for E down pipes
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the point is not where I live lol . The point is I'm ok with buying $600 tires every 5000 miles , it's better than replace turbos on E every 2000 miles
shooting for mid 9's btw
That should be easy with the charger. But I don't want my E faster then what it is. If I want mid 9s I will finish my 280z ls1 turbo project 😉
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like I said it's only good for one thing. Take the cat and the E63s to a road track and the e will smoke the cat. Cat is only good with tires and only in a straight line. E is an all around car. I will race that stock hellcat on 20* asphalt even on nitto radials. It's a one trick pony
ok so I don't know of too many people that take a 4500 lbs car regularly to a road course?? I took my 2008 srt8 jeep once and then went back to my STI and lotus for track duty. I can't speak for anyone else but I bought the hellcat for the smiles it brings me when I drive the car and hear the supercharger whine and exhaust...yes it's a rental car interior but at the price it can carry my kids, my stuff and my wife loves it. I don't know of any other 4 door sedan that can do that for under $100k... Now I would not give up my (unicorn) renntech e63 wagon for it but it sure is a nice complement to it.

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Originally Posted by Geno51
That should be easy with the charger. But I don't want my E faster then what it is. If I want mid 9s I will finish my 280z ls1 turbo project 😉
so I have alpina better cruiser than Benz , not as quick though . 😊
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ok so I don't know of too many people that take a 4500 lbs car regularly to a road course?? I took my 2008 srt8 jeep once and then went back to my STI and lotus for track duty. I can't speak for anyone else but I bought the hellcat for the smiles it brings me when I drive the car and hear the supercharger whine and exhaust...yes it's a rental car interior but at the price it can carry my kids, my stuff and my wife loves it. I don't know of any other 4 door sedan that can do that for under $100k... Now I would not give up my (unicorn) renntech e63 wagon for it but it sure is a nice complement to it.

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I get it fully. Just saying they are not really a comparable car. If your going to compare them like fairbird keeps doing then you need to compare all aspects and not just strait line speed
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Alpina and HC is somebody wants to see
https://youtu.be/HHyVXdwCBGw
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Originally Posted by Geno51
I get it fully. Just saying they are not really a comparable car. If your going to compare them like fairbird keeps doing then you need to compare all aspects and not just strait line speed
i didn't say word E vs HC in this post , E vs B7 yes . You came and said you raced and smoked hellcats lol
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Alpina and HC is somebody wants to see
https://youtu.be/HHyVXdwCBGw
nice video but Looks like the BMW beat the cat to the 1/8 mile mark. Is the hellcat on the nitto tires in this video with all the mods you listed ???
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Originally Posted by Fairbird
i didn't say word E vs HC in this post , E vs B7 yes . You came and said you raced and smoked hellcats lol
And I have stock even with them RED LIGHTING. You have stated that the hellcat is better a few times in your other threads.

https://youtu.be/l-BhFP-vuVs

CATS are slow on stock rubber

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nice video but Looks like the BMW beat the cat to the 1/8 mile mark. Is the hellcat on the nitto tires in this video with all the mods you listed ???
no no both stock even tires , HC on all season still .
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no no both stock even tires , HC on all season still .
ok that makes sense do you think that your E would of beat the cat 1/4 mile the way the hellcat sits on stick tires
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Stock tires they would be very close , my vbox best was 10.7 133 , HC all over running 10.8 stock on tires. From the roll Benz was way faster .
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Stock tires they would be very close , my vbox best was 10.7 133 , HC all over running 10.8 stock on tires. From the roll Benz was way faster .
Very good info info thank you
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Best stock turbo E did 10.6 if I'm correct So tuned E is faster I guess , everything over stock turbo is pain
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Best stock turbo E did 10.6 if I'm correct So tuned E is faster I guess , everything over stock turbo is pain
I Agree with that fully. HELLCAT from a roll will smoke 99% of the E63 out there
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Tuned HC is a monster , I can't imagine what this thing will do with 800-900 rwhp .
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Tuned HC is a monster , I can't imagine what this thing will do with 800-900 rwhp .
I know they can trap around 150 in the quarter. That's insane and from what I have seen with you and your E your hellcat will be pushed to the limits
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Originally Posted by Fairbird
roll you had no chance , my modded E won turn signal once . dig on stock tires? but on redials it'll be different story
a stock for stock race from a roll and E has no chance? Are you sure about this?

tuned E vs tuned hellcat, I see E has no chance.
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Originally Posted by Amg63-
a stock for stock race from a roll and E has no chance? Are you sure about this?

tuned E vs tuned hellcat, I see E has no chance.
yes I do , I've tested both stock , 62-124 E 7.8-8 sec , 62-124 HC 7.0
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Exactly !!! Cat is only good for roll racing and or perfect traction conditions. Stock vs stock. Add only a tune to both and the E still wins. Add drag radials that you have to replace every 5k and the cat can win in the right conditions. E is a better car all around. I know why vlad went the route he did. I lived where he does now and in Omaha unless you have a 10.5 car or faster your slow period. No one there cares about turns and unless you enter cash days it's mostly roll racing
i already tried explaining, the guy just won't listen so don't bother it's a dead end.
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Originally Posted by Geno51
I know they can trap around 150 in the quarter. That's insane and from what I have seen with you and your E your hellcat will be pushed to the limits
145 or so with 9.4 on nittos, on drag slick can't tell , only few guys run em
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Originally Posted by Amg63-
i already tried explaining, the guy just won't listen so don't bother it's a dead end.
you mean I'm ? Do you guys expect me to sell HC and keep the Benz ?
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i already tried explaining, the guy just won't listen so don't bother it's a dead end.
HC is faster stock vs stock from a roll. Tuned only no other mods I think cat and E would be close. Most other mods and the Cat walks away every time. I still think on the street in most driving conditions. Stop light to stoplight the E would hold its own
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you mean I'm ? Do you guys expect me to sell HC and keep the Benz ?
NO WAY not withtbhe issues you have had you made the right call
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If Weistec could stand behind their words I could still have E . W4 I was prommissed first week of December, that after 2 month waiting . I told them if I don't see the kit I'm selling the car , so it's their fault 😂


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