Geno51

LOL !!!!!

one thing that make the E cooler is that everyone expects the Cat to be fast. Most people have no idea what the E is so when they see how fast it is they **** their pants

Amg63-

what about tuned E vs stock HC from roll?

Fairbird

This is how it was , no kidding , I bought the E for W4 and waited 1.5 years , Weistec start shipping the kits last week . This is crazy . I said I'm not going with hybrid turbo any more , they ****

Fairbird

just a tune same , or very close .

Geno51

hybrid turbos are crap. I have seen the same thing in the ecoboost world. Anyone who thinks they can rebuild a turbo and make it reliable as factory is on crack. Again I agree with your move to the h cat

Amg63-

E with tune and catless DP is 6-6.3s and tune only about 6.6-6.8s for 100-200, you said HC stock is 7.0 for 60-124, isn't that same as 100-200kph?

Geno51

Dp and tuned E from a roll with a stock Hcat will be very very close. Most hellcats put 640 hp to the wheels stock. And the 8 speed trans is no joke. From a dig the E Will put about 3-4 cars on it and hold that the entire way

Amg63-

good to know, well at least we can keep up with the stock HC.

But if starting from lower speed, like below 100 doesn't the tuned E have much more torque than stock HC? I would assume here E will take it pretty good.

Geno51

the best bet is to run from a dig. Or a 20-30 roll from 60 on its the hellcats advantage. Then again you catch one off gaurd and there is no catching up for him 😉

Amg63-

yea lol I'm talking in km/h and your talking mph so it confusing.

In mph, I meant from below 60, like a 20-40mph roll, I think tuned E will win with its huge torque advantage. I think from 60+ it's only about the whp and wtq not in play, right? So with both at about 640whp it should be fairly close race.

Geno51

Correct

CarHopper

This thread is making me want a HC

DirtyVegasMB

Charger SRT 392 was useless in the first gear when I test drove it. I can't imagine turning and accelerating HC from a stop while merging into traffic.

Unfortunately most of the people around my area that drive these are complete D bags and automatically think that they are the fastest thing on the road in their 700HP oil tanker.

That said, your HC looks good in white and Alpina is a fine addition.

Fairbird

you very wrong in numbers , I'm tracking 30–40 cars , tune only 7.2–7.4 , my own was 6.8 with valve body upgrade in better condition than HC was . 6.3 it's Ramon Performance BS from IG , real world slower .

Fairbird

low end tq figures insane in HC , SC > turbo on low RPM

Fairbird

I'm not sorry I did it eve after being in euro deep and long time

Amg63-

Im talking about tuned E63s vs stock HC from down low, i dont think HC makes more torque unless its also tuned?

Amg63-

Just refer back to the 100-200 thread, many reporting that tune only E63 is doing it well into the 6's.

Actually, you said with valve body that you did it in 6.6, and a few others already said 6.8s and lower with DP as well.

Fairbird

we can compare

1000 rpm , 425 Hm HC

Fairbird

I did 6.8 in lower outside temp well lower , that makes me think they should be the same . -1C MB , +18 HC

Amg63-

And what about your 6.6s run? you said tune only with valve upgrade your E did that, stock turbos. Please dont say that was weistec lol

So in higher temp sounds like both are around 7.0 mark so about the same.

How much does catless DP improve 100-200 time for the E?

Fairbird

I don't remember 6.6 run I can check though .
DP I cant tell since I went turbo right away .
It'll take me 2 hours to add another 100 whp to the HK though and $2k

Amg63-

Yup, if both tuned then E is a dead man.

I wonder how tuned f10 m5 will run against the HC? Supposedly they do better than E from the rolls...

Fairbird

check this out
http://www.barthtuning.com/store/p4/...5_Package.html
this is what nice about it

grocery getter

nice me want!! I can't wait to run my hellcat against the e63 renntech amg WAGON this summer at the dragstrip.