Shifting behaviour in S & S+
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Shifting behaviour in S & S+
I recently picked up a '14 E63 S AMG wagon as a replacement for a '12 X5 50i (also a twin turbo V-8, but not on the same level as the AMG!). It's been a fantastic experience thus far, living up to its reputation as a sleeper! That being said, I've found the shifting behaviour of the E63 curious in that it seems to keep the RPM as low as possible in all modes, even in S+. The X5 (and other auto-tranny vehicles I have had) would automatically keep the RPMs up when in the "sport" mode - should the E63 not do something similar? Anecdotally it seems that the RPMs maybe stay up a bit more once the car is warmed up, but it's not obvious.
Any thoughts, insights?
Any thoughts, insights?
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I am only in a 2011 at the moment. But I can tell you that my shift points in S and S+ are definitely higher than C mode. I would be very surprised and disappointed if the newer models don't do the same.
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Sorry, should have clarified. The shift points are certainly higher in S and S+, but I would have expected that the tranny would have been kept in a higher gear in S and S+ than in C when just cruising along so that when you step on the gas it is already in an appropriate gear to "go" - this is how my previous BMWs/Audis/VWs have all behaved.
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It sounds like you may benefit from having the dealer do a reset of the transmission adaptations. The previous driver probably babied it, which is good news for you.
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Yeah, I have the same problems. Resetting the adaptations did nothing. The only way I can get it to rev is to give it really heavy throttle (then I'm over the speed limit most everywhere immediately), or to shift it manually. Someone else got a suggestion?
MFT, (or anyone else with a suggestion) please keep me in the loop on this. Really frustrating.
MFT, (or anyone else with a suggestion) please keep me in the loop on this. Really frustrating.
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Normal behaviour especially coming from a BMW owner. This is the stock settings on the car
BMW will hold gears much better than the MBs (except the newer 9 speed MBs which seem to have a more aggressive holding pattern)
BMW will hold gears much better than the MBs (except the newer 9 speed MBs which seem to have a more aggressive holding pattern)
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I have a 2016 m550xi and one complaint I have is that it does stay in higher rpms and a lower gear while cruising ... while this is great for performance I prefer what the e63S does and once cruising drop down to lowest rpms possible
op, you cannot dial this out of your benz ... perhaps with a custom tune
op, you cannot dial this out of your benz ... perhaps with a custom tune
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OP: I have noticed the opposite in S/S+ to what you are experiencing. I am fairly new to a 2015 E63S but compared to the 2013 C63 I have just come from I find it is much "livelier" and keen to stay in the low gears in S/S+ mode, almost to the point that a few times I have had to manually change up to the higher gear. When cruising in S/S+ at say 40-50 mph it seems to be limited at 4th or 5th gear and the slightest tap on the throttle will see it drop down a gear. It is also much more aggressive with the downshifts - with quite exaggerated "double declutching" revs matching compared to my old C63. I believe that 2011- 2015 ie facelift C63s used the same AMG Speedshift MCT as the W212 E63s so based on my experience there is definitely different programming being used. I read somewhere that there was new transmission software introduced sometime in 2015 E63 production so I would recommend talking to your dealer to see if there is updated TCU software available.
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Did anyone ever get to the bottom of this. I recently came across this issue that the car is not holding the gears. In S mode and S+ mode the car shifts really early.
Could this be caused because the transmission is adapting again. I recently had the engine mount and tranny mount done 2 days ago.
Could this be caused because the transmission is adapting again. I recently had the engine mount and tranny mount done 2 days ago.
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Did anyone ever get to the bottom of this. I recently came across this issue that the car is not holding the gears. In S mode and S+ mode the car shifts really early.
Could this be caused because the transmission is adapting again. I recently had the engine mount and tranny mount done 2 days ago.
Could this be caused because the transmission is adapting again. I recently had the engine mount and tranny mount done 2 days ago.
I recently had @BenzNinja perform his transmission modification to my standard, non-AMG car. He added Agility/Sport+ mode to my selections. The A mode wants to say in 5th gear unless I have it on cruise control (Distronic Plus) or am cruising at 75 mph. I'm not sure what to tell you other than get your car scanned and maybe reach out to him.
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Replacing the engine and tranny mounts would not cause any change in the transmission. Was anything else done to the car. It does sound like adaptation going on. Have you scanned your tranny for any issues?
I recently had @BenzNinja perform his transmission modification to my standard, non-AMG car. He added Agility/Sport+ mode to my selections. The A mode wants to say in 5th gear unless I have it on cruise control (Distronic Plus) or am cruising at 75 mph. I'm not sure what to tell you other than get your car scanned and maybe reach out to him.
I recently had @BenzNinja perform his transmission modification to my standard, non-AMG car. He added Agility/Sport+ mode to my selections. The A mode wants to say in 5th gear unless I have it on cruise control (Distronic Plus) or am cruising at 75 mph. I'm not sure what to tell you other than get your car scanned and maybe reach out to him.
Thank you. I actually had the car scanned and had a few error codes on tran ecu. Reset them and car has been driving great. Now just waiting for the car to adapt so I can have fun with eurocharged tune
