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'03 E55, Range Rover Sport Supercharged, Ducati 748R
Originally Posted by joonesthesia
I love my e63 but I'm also not a teenage girl about it.
I echo some of your sentiments. Ride is uncomfortable, transmission is jerky (shifting D/R/D, the downshifts while coasting), occasional squeaks. We really do have to be objective about the shortcomings of our cars because it can be better.
I'd like to put on 18" wheels but the damn brakes are too big.
A corvette with magnetic ride is sublime, a 911 has a more comfortable ride, but the e63 is more comfortable than a wrx!!
Ill have to take your word on the WRX but with todays tech, theres zero reason the W212 (or W213 for that matter) couldnt have had a better ride. Its a shame really...
Ill have to take your word on the WRX but with todays tech, theres zero reason the W212 (or W213 for that matter) couldnt have had a better ride. Its a shame really...
Agreed. heck even with yesterdays tech it should ride much better. Im using the best rubber too; michelin ps4s and pilot alpin 5. I think with the performance pack, and then its evolution to amg s models really killed what ride quality there was.
my old '10 e63 non-performance pack rode better.
audi dealers, i had one sales drone tell me audi doesnt want customers to negotiate. that was the last straw for the entire brand.
I hope you enjoy the rs7. it's something i'll never get to know first hand.
I love the review Mike, subbed fr updates of your first time out at the track. Guessing it'll be ~11.5 @124 or so...
Great car, the RS7. As much as we don't want to admit it, it came from out of nowhere and ran rings around both the 2012+ E63 and M5. Had it not been for the RS7, the newer AMG and M saloons might have still been RWD.
'03 E55, Range Rover Sport Supercharged, Ducati 748R
Originally Posted by Celicasaur
I love the review Mike, subbed fr updates of your first time out at the track. Guessing it'll be ~11.5 @124 or so...
Great car, the RS7. As much as we don't want to admit it, it came from out of nowhere and ran rings around both the 2012+ E63 and M5. Had it not been for the RS7, the newer AMG and M saloons might have still been RWD.
Thanks. I think you may be right about the AWD transition of AMG and M. M also went to the ZF8 because of Audi (something AMG should have done as well). I can still remember when every BMW fanboy said M will NEVER go forced induction, then M will NEVER use an automatic transmission, then M will ALWAYS be RWD.
I’ve been so busy that I haven’t had a chance to get to the track. NHRA is already here testing for the nationals next week so the track won’t be open to us mortals for a little while. I just gave in and ordered a Draggy so I can at least get some sort of baseline established. I’ll share those numbers when it gets here.
Thanks. I think you may be right about the AWD transition of AMG and M. M also went to the ZF8 because of Audi (something AMG should have done as well). I can still remember when every BMW fanboy said M will NEVER go forced induction, then M will NEVER use an automatic transmission, then M will ALWAYS be RWD.
To be fair...I'm not in agreement with the whole forced induction thing, but that seems to sadly be a decision that's been driven by the illuminati (joke) or rather, world leaders to get emissions down. I also personally do wish RWD remained with BMWs...maybe not Mercedes so much. But BMW have made more epic M cars, than there have been epic AMG cars. The E39 M5 in my humble opinion is the finest saloon ever made. I curse myself regularly for selling mine
Originally Posted by chiromikey
Ive been so busy that I havent had a chance to get to the track. NHRA is already here testing for the nationals next week so the track wont be open to us mortals for a little while. I just gave in and ordered a Draggy so I can at least get some sort of baseline established. Ill share those numbers when it gets here.
Damn, you're gonna be in wardspeed mode soon. Those RS7s trap, what, around 127mph on pump fuel with a downpipe and tune??
'03 E55, Range Rover Sport Supercharged, Ducati 748R
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Originally Posted by Celicasaur
To be fair...I'm not in agreement with the whole forced induction thing, but that seems to sadly be a decision that's been driven by the illuminati (joke) or rather, world leaders to get emissions down. I also personally do wish RWD remained with BMWs...maybe not Mercedes so much. But BMW have made more epic M cars, than there have been epic AMG cars. The E39 M5 in my humble opinion is the finest saloon ever made. I curse myself regularly for selling mine
Damn, you're gonna be in wardspeed mode soon. Those RS7s trap, what, around 127mph on pump fuel with a downpipe and tune??
Totally agree with you, except about the E39 M5 being the best saloon. Thats too narrow of a category as I think its one of the best cars ever made!
Im not sure what the RS7 traps on pump fuel. Unlike the E63, when switching maps is this easy nobody races on their pump fuel map. With tune, DPs and race fuel it should be in the low to mid 130s.
In fairness, I think the real reason AMG and M have gone to AWD/4WD is the ability to put all the power down and do so immediately. The technology is todays cars is astounding. The days of running a sub 13 second quarter are no longer impressive. When you have 600hp in a saloon, its nearly impossible to get that power down, comfortably, without AWD. Most consumers today want all the power, immediately. Turbos and AWD pretty much solve that with the way BMW, AMG and Audi have engineered their turbo V8s. And, while I am a BMW M fanboy, the sound they're delivering today is pure garbage. Anything south of the M5, just sounds awful. I think thats part of what attracts me to the E63. They've seem to have mastered the turbo sound to the point its very deep and aggressive, to the regular person, they wouldn't know. RS7 is the same way. That thing under WOT is just thunderous. I just have my heart stuck on an estate or the RS7 would be in serious consideration, and kinda still is.
Well, great question.
Some have sold at BAT for very high prices, but that's usually ultra low miles. as in $50-100k for less than 20k miles. One sold at some auction for $170k, but it had less than 100 miles on it.
Mine is a real car, second owner, all paperwork, that has been driven, but it's in perfect shape and zero rust (never driven in winter). So for right buyer - probably in that range. or even more. The Le Man Blue over caramel is by many viewed as he most attractive combo.
But I'm not selling. Love it too much. My bigger issue is the insurance - need to do a appraised value policy or something soon.
Just goes to show how amazing the legend of the E39 is. We're on an MB forum, where the OP has made a thread about his amazing RS7, yet we're all happy to oogle over the wonder of a car that is 20 years older.
Screw it. Here's what mine was....gone, but never forgotten (unlike my E55)
Amazing car, so ahead of it's time. I think I might buy another one, if I can get it approved by the Mrs.
Sorry to thread hijack, Chiromikey...we'll all behave once you update with more RS7 reports.
'03 E55, Range Rover Sport Supercharged, Ducati 748R
Originally Posted by Celicasaur
Just goes to show how amazing the legend of the E39 is. We're on an MB forum, where the OP has made a thread about his amazing RS7, yet we're all happy to oogle over the wonder of a car that is 20 years older.
Screw it. Here's what mine was....gone, but never forgotten (unlike my E55)
Amazing car, so ahead of it's time. I think I might buy another one, if I can get it approved by the Mrs.
Sorry to thread hijack, Chiromikey...we'll all behave once you update with more RS7 reports.
As long as were talking about awesome cars I dont mind at all!!
And for the record - if the RS6 was sold in the US it's highly likely I would drive that instead of the E63....
Have had A4 S4 Avants (V6 biturbo and the V8 versions) and an A8 W12. I like Audis...
But yes - to OP - apologies. Didn't mean to threadjack. The RS7 is a great car, just too small for me (I'm 6'5"and my kids are teenagers.....)
'03 E55, Range Rover Sport Supercharged, Ducati 748R
One thing I’m finding for the RS7 is the lack of aftermarket body parts like diffusers or spoilers. Well, maybe not a lack but definitely a big void in the middle. You can either get one or two variations of tiny stick on parts or go full widebody kit but almost nothing in between. I like aggressive but not DTM fender flare aggressive. There was no shortage of parts to dress up the E63 and I’m realizing I took actually having choices for granted.
This is more aggressive than I’d prefer but I’m gonna go with it until I can get what I actually want. I have a local guy that says he can do custom stuff so I’ll see what he can do for a rear spoiler and diffuser.
On the E63 ride, and why it has to be harsh when it's basically a cushy e-class - I think it's tires. The base cars are designed around a ~25.7-26" tire with a lot more sidewall...start upsizing the brakes and using a lower profile tire for looks and performance and you're left with rubber bands AND back when they chose the tire for this platform,2000's era summer tires which was at the time putting an extremely thick and rigid sidewall in everything even for cars that weren't full-special track cars
- I find it very acceptable on the nice soft performance snow tires compared to say, my M3 or a contemporary Panamera. But it was flinty on the Conti 5P's even in comfort over expansion joints. The RS7 is designed around a much taller tire, 275/35-20, nearly 2" bigger diameter, which just thanks to geometry is going to be less disturbed by small road variations thanks to the larger rolling diameter of the bigger tire. a 26" tall tire on a 600hp car...I don't get it Merc, but hey that's what you designed the car around and it keeps the car low so that's good i guess. BMW does a 27-28" tire now, GTR, Challenger, Mustang, Camaro, Most porsches...and W213 went up to 27" tire AND went wider...W212 setup is a throwback to when Merc didn't really care if the car put down power, and lack of traction was a feature not a bug, heh
Ehhh, I think he, as the OP (and the rest of us), have no idea what your comments means. He is proving cool info of his impressions of his new RS7 versus his prior E63, and you say "2019 C63 wins"?
We fail to see the correlation there....
'03 E55, Range Rover Sport Supercharged, Ducati 748R
Originally Posted by Richbot
On the E63 ride, and why it has to be harsh when it's basically a cushy e-class - I think it's tires. The base cars are designed around a ~25.7-26" tire with a lot more sidewall...start upsizing the brakes and using a lower profile tire for looks and performance and you're left with rubber bands AND back when they chose the tire for this platform,2000's era summer tires which was at the time putting an extremely thick and rigid sidewall in everything even for cars that weren't full-special track cars
- I find it very acceptable on the nice soft performance snow tires compared to say, my M3 or a contemporary Panamera. But it was flinty on the Conti 5P's even in comfort over expansion joints. The RS7 is designed around a much taller tire, 275/35-20, nearly 2" bigger diameter, which just thanks to geometry is going to be less disturbed by small road variations thanks to the larger rolling diameter of the bigger tire. a 26" tall tire on a 600hp car...I don't get it Merc, but hey that's what you designed the car around and it keeps the car low so that's good i guess. BMW does a 27-28" tire now, GTR is on a 28" tire, Challenger, Mustang, Camaro, Most porsches...W212 setup is a throwback to when Merc didn't really care if the car put down power, and lack of traction was a feature not a bug, heh
Most RS7s are optioned with 275/30/21 so the overall diameter is barley over an inch taller and the sidewall is actually 1/2 shorter. Its not the tires, its poor design.
02-11-2019, 10:47 AM
