Help spark plug indexing
So I'm somewhat stuck. Everytime I use my snap on trq wrench set at 23nm, my plug is not indexed right. What gives? If I try 34nm it ends up being in the needed 45* angle. I'm using the bosch plugs that fcp sells. But if I use the trq wrench and set it to 45* it ends up being indexed correctly, but is then overtorqued. What am I doing wrong?
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nothing. I always order 10 plugs for this reason...
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wait, you know there is only 90° of "bad" and 270° of "good", right?
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Originally Posted by nota_amg
(Post 8297714)
nothing. I always order 10 plugs for this reason...
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Originally Posted by Mojo20032004
(Post 8297718)
So are the plugs not reusable if they have been over torqued?
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basically, the strap can be anywhere from 1:30 to 10:30 (in respect to the 'hour' hand) since the injector is at 12 o-clock. you need to leave the 90° from 10:30 to 1:30 clear of the grounding strap so as not to interfere with the flame front propagation.
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someone was buying different copper washers and indexing their plugs, but that seems a little extreme to me
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Originally Posted by nota_amg
(Post 8297723)
basically, the strap can be anywhere from 1:30 to 10:30 (in respect to the 'hour' hand) since the injector is at 12 o-clock. you need to leave the 90° from 10:30 to 1:30 clear of the grounding strap so as not to interfere with the flame front propagation.
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If by "plug" you mean the grounding strap, then yes, that's fine.
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Originally Posted by nota_amg
(Post 8297740)
If by "plug" you mean the grounding strap, then yes, that's fine.
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Originally Posted by Mojo20032004
(Post 8297777)
No, ground strap is facing the rear of the car, the open part faces the front of the car, while the injector is to the right of it at 3 o clock
just for reference, let's make sure we're on the same page. let's look at it this way: When you look at the plug, look at it from the side of the engine so that is is extending out in front of you, horizontal to the ground with the strap facing away from you. Now, think of the circular shape of the plug as a clock face. Your strap is facing the rear of the car and open to the front of the car, so lets call the strap 3 o-clock. The injector is directly above the plug at 12 o-clock. so, like I said before, thinking of the plug, your strap(3 o-clock on the example) is okay to be anywhere within the 1:30-10:30 area, so it does not block the spark from reaching the fuel being sprayed by the injector. Does that make more sense? |
Originally Posted by nota_amg
(Post 8297786)
that is fine, you just don't want the strap between the tip of the plug and the injector.
just for reference, let's make sure we're on the same page. let's look at it this way: When you look at the plug, look at it from the side of the engine so that is is extending out in front of you, horizontal to the ground with the strap facing away from you. Now, think of the circular shape of the plug as a clock face. Your strap is facing the rear of the car and open to the front of the car, so lets call the strap 3 o-clock. The injector is directly above the plug at 12 o-clock. so, like I said before, thinking of the plug, your strap(3 o-clock on the example) is okay to be anywhere within the 1:30-10:30 area, so it does not block the spark from reaching the fuel being sprayed by the injector. Does that make more sense? https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...g-indexing.pdf https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ark-plugs.html |
Originally Posted by jvakos
(Post 8297808)
Here's a few other resources about indexing plugs on the M157... as nota_amg said and many others have, you will probably want to buy several extra plugs as there are very minor differences in the plug thread position which can impact the indexing even if you follow the spec and torque to 23nm.... my buddy is a MB master tech and he's stated this is definitely a tricky process but if you order extra plugs you should get enough of the ones that line up properly.
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...g-indexing.pdf https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ark-plugs.html |
You're over thinking it. Install MB spark plugs at MB specified torque. That's all.
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Originally Posted by chassis
(Post 8297876)
You're over thinking it. Install MB spark plugs at MB specified torque. That's all.
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I don't know. Buy them from MB of Naperville. They have an online parts ordering, carry good inventory and have fast standard shipping. I just ordered rear brake parts from them and it was a good experience and fair prices. My local dealer price for the brake parts was 50% higher than Naperville.
If you use anything other than MB spark plugs, you will chase your tail endlessly on the torque vs angle/position. With MB plugs, they are made to be installed with the correct torque, and the acceptable position is the result. In other words, follow the instructions. |
Originally Posted by chassis
(Post 8297938)
I don't know. Buy them from MB of Naperville. They have an online parts ordering, carry good inventory and have fast standard shipping. I just ordered rear brake parts from them and it was a good experience and fair prices. My local dealer price for the brake parts was 50% higher than Naperville.
If you use anything other than MB spark plugs, you will chase your tail endlessly on the torque vs angle/position. With MB plugs, they are made to be installed with the correct torque, and the acceptable position is the result. In other words, follow the instructions. |
Ok figured it out. Stupid torque wrench wasn't calibrated right and it was set to 23ftlbs instead of 23nm. Re-did everything over again and everything is within spec
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Don't gap spark plugs. Forget anything you may have learned from working on 1980 Chevys and Fords. I had to do this myself.
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nevermind...
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Originally Posted by nota_amg
(Post 8298267)
nevermind...
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Originally Posted by chassis
(Post 8298226)
Don't gap spark plugs. Forget anything you may have learned from working on 1980 Chevys and Fords. I had to do this myself.
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Tuning has no relevance for me. MB specs as documented are relevant to me. If an owner tunes, caveat emptor.
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These are OEM plugs from FCP for 2016 E63 AMG s -- I checked at the dealer once I got them.. so the kit you have has these and they're good.
The advantage with FCP.. you use these for 10-20K miles with your tune. Take them out - send them back and they send you another set for free.. :) DescriptionDetails
All of them torqued at 23Nm ended up with open face at like 10:40 PM so I overtorqued by 0.4 Nm to end up at 11:30 - yes OCD .. |
Originally Posted by nota_amg
(Post 8297717)
wait, you know there is only 90° of "bad" and 270° of "good", right?
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