2014 e63S - complete engine failure at 38,000 miles
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2014 e63S - complete engine failure at 38,000 miles
I have a 2014 e63 S AMG and I've owned the car since 2015. I bought it from the dealer with 1,500 miles CPO in 2015, so almost new. I've driven it as a daily commuter mainly (shorter trips 13 miles/way) but have also opened it up on some longer road trips, and had it serviced regularly at the dealer. I was driving home from work and the car completely lost power while driving and wouldn't accelerate. The dashboard lights all lit up and the car lost all ability to accelerate. I was able to pull to side of the road during Friday evening traffic, but the car wouldn't start. Auxiliary power still worked and I was able to put the car into neutral for a tow. When the power failure occurred, I did smell a faint smell of what smelled like an electrical fire/smoke, but it went away quickly. Upon inspection by the dealer, they can't get the engine to move, can't turn the crank shaft either direction. Upon changing spark plugs, checking the oil and oil filter, they found small fragments of metal in the engine oil. They also found scoring in the fourth cylinder. They're telling me the engine is not fixable unless I want to take the entire engine apart, which would be very costly and may not yield results. A new engine would by $62K, which the car was recently valued by the dealer at $39,500. Essentially at this point, the car is not worth repairing, a $40K loss. This is super frustrating for a 100K car with a engine that has been serviced regularly and after 38K miles, the car is worthless.
I'm wondering if anyone has had this issue on an e63s. The car has was never tuned and never driven overly hard. I never even race started it, which is kind of a shame.
I'm wondering if anyone has had this issue on an e63s. The car has was never tuned and never driven overly hard. I never even race started it, which is kind of a shame.
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Your are not alone, W212's seem to be have some major issues, including complete engine failure, I've seen owners express so much frustration, they trade the car in and just move on from the costly repairs and downtime with their vehicle... I was under the impression the facelift cars suffered less issues, but apparently not!
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Tasos definitely knows this engine well and he speaks all about how failures occur in this engine
https://youtube.com/@TasosMoschatos
https://youtube.com/@TasosMoschatos
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If you have full-service history, I'd discuss with MBUSA/MBCanada your issue and ask for goodwill assistance with the matter.
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Sorry to hear about the loss, wonder what happened? Tune? Bad gas?
These engines are available some times with very low mileage for around $15000 and with another couple of thousand dollars, you should be back in the game in no time.
Good Luck
These engines are available some times with very low mileage for around $15000 and with another couple of thousand dollars, you should be back in the game in no time.
Good Luck
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I was thinking the exact same thing...I mean, seriously, who trusts the dealership for the price of anything?
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I wonder if he had oil in his engine harness - causing some of this or contributing to it.
"They can't get the crankshaft to move" -
also how can they see the scoring in all the cylinders if they can't get the crankshaft to move?
"They can't get the crankshaft to move" -
also how can they see the scoring in all the cylinders if they can't get the crankshaft to move?
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starter engaged or car was in gear... oil in ecu is definitely a possibility
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This place is a joke.
I've seen a few of these engines seize around 30k miles in GLS63 and SL63. I believe the cause was from the main bearings. One was repaired with a new crankshaft and oil pump. The other two were replaced with factory long blocks under warranty.
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These care great cars, just can't get enough of it though
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*feel free to show any actual data on failure rates of the m157 by year since MY2011.
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Time to see if your insurance can also help. This would be time for a blackboost engine, if available. I know it may not be in the budget however. Sorry nonetheless. I’d like to hear the second opinion. Or see some pics of the damage. Good luck
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It always amazes me that I can get an EJ257 (yes 4 cylinders versus 8) rebuilt with forged pistons/connecting rods/crank, bored (with a torque plate), and built to spec (i.e. ring/wall gap that I choose) for and installed for less than $5k. If the heads are fine would definitely have them cleaned up and reused. If you need to rebuild them a builder can give you advice on what to upgrade at that time.
An 8 cylinder has more parts which will at least double the parts budget and time to put together, but not to the tune of 5x the cost.
Would be curious to hear what a good engine builder would approach this issue? i.e. can the block be salvaged? and then sourcing pistons/rods/crank (if you want), and then putting it all together.
Not looking forward to exploring this pathway myself, but if needed I would just get the engine rebuilt.
An 8 cylinder has more parts which will at least double the parts budget and time to put together, but not to the tune of 5x the cost.
Would be curious to hear what a good engine builder would approach this issue? i.e. can the block be salvaged? and then sourcing pistons/rods/crank (if you want), and then putting it all together.
Not looking forward to exploring this pathway myself, but if needed I would just get the engine rebuilt.
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^^ Supply and demand
Not a lot of people are messing around with M157. A ton of people are messing around with EJ257. Look at how cheap LS V8 parts and builds are.
Agree it's not rocket science, but when there's only 1-2 rod and piston makers, low volume, and very few people that know exactly how the sleeves need to be done right. Add in most of the gaskets, weird lines and parts that are only available form Mercedes....
Not a lot of people are messing around with M157. A ton of people are messing around with EJ257. Look at how cheap LS V8 parts and builds are.
Agree it's not rocket science, but when there's only 1-2 rod and piston makers, low volume, and very few people that know exactly how the sleeves need to be done right. Add in most of the gaskets, weird lines and parts that are only available form Mercedes....
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^^ Supply and demand
Not a lot of people are messing around with M157. A ton of people are messing around with EJ257. Look at how cheap LS V8 parts and builds are.
Agree it's not rocket science, but when there's only 1-2 rod and piston makers, low volume, and very few people that know exactly how the sleeves need to be done right. Add in most of the gaskets, weird lines and parts that are only available form Mercedes....
Not a lot of people are messing around with M157. A ton of people are messing around with EJ257. Look at how cheap LS V8 parts and builds are.
Agree it's not rocket science, but when there's only 1-2 rod and piston makers, low volume, and very few people that know exactly how the sleeves need to be done right. Add in most of the gaskets, weird lines and parts that are only available form Mercedes....
Even with OEM parts and aftermarket rods/pistons it seems cheaper to go the aftermarket route.
The builder that did my EJ257 was aware that it would be running 2x the original power, and it held up (still running strong as I sold it to a friend).
If I needed a rebuild I would use the same guy as it isn't rocket science.
Perhaps we should be swapping in LS blocks to replace blown M157s
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I can’t emphisize enough the level of misdiagnosed cars I’ve looked at where dealer (or independent) suggested something catastrophic which turned out to be a much simpler issue.
Example, I recently had a friend’s wife who the dealer diagnosed a transmission replacement. $15k or so. When I looked at the car, I eventually tracked it down to contaminated fuel.
Now I don’t necessarily think they were doing it on purpose, it was just misdiagnosed. XENTRY had stored a bunch of different codes and they just took that data without question (as far as I can tell)
They may have replaced the transmission as they probably had enough profit built in, and then either had to eat the other parts they threw at it, or just billed the customer for the additional work justifying it as a needed repair.
Now I’m not saying all shops are incompetent, but proper diagnostic’s for complex issues can be time consuming and elusive. Techs are always under pressure to get the car out the door in a timely manner to turn a profit. And diagnosing a problem doesn’t always equate to the customer actually agreeing to spend the money on the repair.
It’s a double edged sword….
But before I would write off a $40k car or doing a $69k repair without question, I would definitely get a second opinion. I would bring it to another shop and NOT tell them the dealer’s diagnosis, but rather let the other shop give you THEIR diagnosis. Just tell them your car won’t start 🙂
Good Luck
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How about a feel good story for the M157 engine. Last year Tasos is very very surprised to get a 2014 S63 with 156k Mles (251k km) with no issues whatsoever:
In the part 2 Comments section Tasos says:
"I understand today why the engine is in this condition"
"Regular oil changes and used thicker oil (not the 5W-30/40)"
"10w"40?
In the part 2 Comments section Tasos says:
"I understand today why the engine is in this condition"
"Regular oil changes and used thicker oil (not the 5W-30/40)"
"10w"40?
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Damn. Only 224,000 miles on my M113K engine with no significant issues. Reading this thread makes me glad I'm slow to adopt the latest technology. The first scouts get arrows in them and follow ons find the bodies.
OP, I wish you the best. Time to cut your losses. Choose wisely. I feel your pain.
OP, I wish you the best. Time to cut your losses. Choose wisely. I feel your pain.
