2017 W213 E63 AMG to have AWD system that can send 100% torque to the rear?
10-30-2016, 03:49 AM
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depends on the context of which we are's talking about which is the part that you leave out . When you and I argued back-and-forth about RS7 versus e 63 you were acting as if you can just slap a tune on a RS7 and go out in the STREET and walk tuned E 63's ... where as I contended that they are both pretty equal when they're both tuned on regular gas on the street. (Not equal on the Launch ).. you leave out the part where I was talking about normal Street driving conditions on pump gas doing highway pulls . There the E 63 will be faster.( or at least mine is )...Now on the other hand if we are talking about launching, I would certainly agree that the RS7 is quicker then the E 63, because of the initial lag the E 63 has, which is what we're talking about now in this thread
as I said before our cars don't launch hard that's why they don't do good quarter-mile times. On the street when you're cruising along next to an RS7 and both mash the pedal while crusing on the highway is a different story Where the E 63 more than holds its own
context kponti ... that's part you leave out
as I said before our cars don't launch hard that's why they don't do good quarter-mile times. On the street when you're cruising along next to an RS7 and both mash the pedal while crusing on the highway is a different story Where the E 63 more than holds its own
context kponti ... that's part you leave out
The part I don't understand is if on street tires and pump gas tune rs7 is trapping at 130+ and e63s is only at 126-128 then why in highway roll races does e63s keep up or usually actually beat the rs7 in most cases? With rs7 trapping 2
mph+ higher it should be walking us.
Also, what's the best way for launching e63s without the lag? Does brake torque or launch control
minimize or eliminate the lag to allow e63s to get a hard launch?
10-30-2016, 11:34 AM
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thats what I was asking you before. I was saying how on the highway from a roll, as all the videos I've seen with tuned rs7 vs tuned e63s, the e63 always beat it. I've also witnessed this in person as well.
The part I don't understand is if on street tires and pump gas tune rs7 is trapping at 130+ and e63s is only at 126-128 then why in highway roll races does e63s keep up or usually actually beat the rs7 in most cases? With rs7 trapping 2
mph+ higher it should be walking us.
Also, what's the best way for launching e63s without the lag? Does brake torque or launch control
minimize or eliminate the lag to allow e63s to get a hard launch?
The part I don't understand is if on street tires and pump gas tune rs7 is trapping at 130+ and e63s is only at 126-128 then why in highway roll races does e63s keep up or usually actually beat the rs7 in most cases? With rs7 trapping 2
mph+ higher it should be walking us.
Also, what's the best way for launching e63s without the lag? Does brake torque or launch control
minimize or eliminate the lag to allow e63s to get a hard launch?
10-30-2016, 12:38 PM
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Yet somehow the rs7 traps higher than e63 but e63 still beats it from a roll?
how is it possible?
10-30-2016, 01:08 PM
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right so my question is I thought trap speeds have not much to do with how good the launch is? ET is more about launch but trap speeds would usually indicate which one is faster from a rolling start.
Yet somehow the rs7 traps higher than e63 but e63 still beats it from a roll?
how is it possible?
Yet somehow the rs7 traps higher than e63 but e63 still beats it from a roll?
how is it possible?
the fact that e63 ran slower ET with same mph trap indicates e63 is faster on the roll after the launch
keep in mind also that some cars, that are faster in the 1/4 vs other car, can be slower than same car in 60-130 runs (think tesla)
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10-30-2016, 02:10 PM
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yes ET in predicated on good launch, hence RS7's ET'ing 10.69 @ 129 while E63 ET 10.85 @ 129 (the 131+ trap rs7's are on race gas as they can switch between race gas tune and pump gas tune file while we cannot- we have to run 2 separate ecu's for pump vs race gas tune.... sure we can run race gas on normal tune but its not going to give you the gain a tune for race gas is going to give you)
the fact that e63 ran slower ET with same mph trap indicates e63 is faster on the roll after the launch
keep in mind also that some cars, that are faster in the 1/4 vs other car, can be slower than same car in 60-130 runs (think tesla)
the fact that e63 ran slower ET with same mph trap indicates e63 is faster on the roll after the launch
keep in mind also that some cars, that are faster in the 1/4 vs other car, can be slower than same car in 60-130 runs (think tesla)
10-30-2016, 08:24 PM
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yes ET in predicated on good launch, hence RS7's ET'ing 10.69 @ 129 while E63 ET 10.85 @ 129 (the 131+ trap rs7's are on race gas as they can switch between race gas tune and pump gas tune file while we cannot- we have to run 2 separate ecu's for pump vs race gas tune.... sure we can run race gas on normal tune but its not going to give you the gain a tune for race gas is going to give you)
the fact that e63 ran slower ET with same mph trap indicates e63 is faster on the roll after the launch
keep in mind also that some cars, that are faster in the 1/4 vs other car, can be slower than same car in 60-130 runs (think tesla)
the fact that e63 ran slower ET with same mph trap indicates e63 is faster on the roll after the launch
keep in mind also that some cars, that are faster in the 1/4 vs other car, can be slower than same car in 60-130 runs (think tesla)
But still I need to ask, even 129mph is very impressive for pump gas tune on rs7. Does the typical rs7 on pump gas tune EASILY run 129 or is this just a few that did it?
e63s at 129 unless RWD does not look common to me from what I've seen.
Usually with just tune only, aren't e63s only trapping 126-127? And typically not getting any better than 11.0-11.1 ET?
so if this is accurate, I'm stil surprised how we beat them from when both running pump gas tune from 60-130. And from wat I've seen it's by a long distance, not like just edge them out. Somehow e63s seems like a good 2-3 car lengths faster from a roll with average lower trap speeds.
I dont get get how it adds up unless your saying that despite a lower trap speed it still doesn't prove a 60-130 run but I always thought trap speeds tells who wins from a roll. Isn't that why m5 is faster? What does tune only on m5 with pump gas trap on average compared to these 2 are doing?
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10-30-2016, 09:21 PM
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depends on the context of which we are's talking about which is the part that you leave out . When you and I argued back-and-forth about RS7 versus e 63 you were acting as if you can just slap a tune on a RS7 and go out in the STREET and walk tuned E 63's ... where as I contended that they are both pretty equal when they're both tuned on regular gas on the street. (Not equal on the Launch ).. you leave out the part where I was talking about normal Street driving conditions on pump gas doing highway pulls . There the E 63 will be faster.( or at least mine is )...Now on the other hand if we are talking about launching, I would certainly agree that the RS7 is quicker then the E 63, because of the initial lag the E 63 has, which is what we're talking about now in this thread
as I said before our cars don't launch hard that's why they don't do good quarter-mile times. On the street when you're cruising along next to an RS7 and both mash the pedal while crusing on the highway is a different story Where the E 63 more than holds its own
context kponti ... that's part you leave out
as I said before our cars don't launch hard that's why they don't do good quarter-mile times. On the street when you're cruising along next to an RS7 and both mash the pedal while crusing on the highway is a different story Where the E 63 more than holds its own
context kponti ... that's part you leave out
10-30-2016, 11:04 PM
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Interesting concept.....context something I remember you leaving out. I have never given a crap about racing on the highways. In fact I even mentioned how dumb I think that is, so unless you are mixing me with the numerous people you internet battle with, nope not me, cos I really never care or argued for roll races especially where highways were involved
For those who do care about highway roll racing the e63s is usually as fast if not faster. I think that sums it up.
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11-01-2016, 10:29 AM
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yes this now makes sense. I thought we were saying rs7 is trapping at 130mph on pump gas tune. If it's a race gas tune then I'm not even looking at comparing those numbers because it's an entirely different ball game.
But still I need to ask, even 129mph is very impressive for pump gas tune on rs7. Does the typical rs7 on pump gas tune EASILY run 129 or is this just a few that did it?
e63s at 129 unless RWD does not look common to me from what I've seen.
Usually with just tune only, aren't e63s only trapping 126-127? And typically not getting any better than 11.0-11.1 ET?
so if this is accurate, I'm stil surprised how we beat them from when both running pump gas tune from 60-130. And from wat I've seen it's by a long distance, not like just edge them out. Somehow e63s seems like a good 2-3 car lengths faster from a roll with average lower trap speeds.
I dont get get how it adds up unless your saying that despite a lower trap speed it still doesn't prove a 60-130 run but I always thought trap speeds tells who wins from a roll. Isn't that why m5 is faster? What does tune only on m5 with pump gas trap on average compared to these 2 are doing?
But still I need to ask, even 129mph is very impressive for pump gas tune on rs7. Does the typical rs7 on pump gas tune EASILY run 129 or is this just a few that did it?
e63s at 129 unless RWD does not look common to me from what I've seen.
Usually with just tune only, aren't e63s only trapping 126-127? And typically not getting any better than 11.0-11.1 ET?
so if this is accurate, I'm stil surprised how we beat them from when both running pump gas tune from 60-130. And from wat I've seen it's by a long distance, not like just edge them out. Somehow e63s seems like a good 2-3 car lengths faster from a roll with average lower trap speeds.
I dont get get how it adds up unless your saying that despite a lower trap speed it still doesn't prove a 60-130 run but I always thought trap speeds tells who wins from a roll. Isn't that why m5 is faster? What does tune only on m5 with pump gas trap on average compared to these 2 are doing?
11-01-2016, 11:45 AM
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Its the question I asked about the typical trap speeds on pump gas tune of 129mph for rs7 vs the 126-127mph of the E63s The launch advantage of rs7 shouldn't make a big diferrence in the trap speed part.
11-01-2016, 12:10 PM
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the fastest pump gas rs7 and e63 are both 129 mph.... that represent best case scenario on both platforms, so on their best days they are equal on trap and rs7 better on ET.... circling back to the original point of RS7 launches harder and e63 pulls harder on the top end
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11-16-2016, 05:42 PM
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