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Does anyone want to speculate on what payments might be on the car? Leaning towards balloon financing, but any insight would help greatly. Currently finding out what invoice on the car is.
Does anyone want to speculate on what payments might be on the car? Leaning towards balloon financing, but any insight would help greatly. Currently finding out what invoice on the car is.
Sale Price $106,000 (assume 8% discount, perhaps in 6 mos time? All depends on demand. I got a 5% discount offer from my dealer for Euro delivery without blinking, I am sure I could haggle for better)
12k / 57% / 36 mos
MF 0.0022 (5.28%)
I get a base of $1,525/mo plus you'd have to add sales tax.
AMG lease rates absolutely suck compared to comparable brands (BMW/Audi). On the positive side, they do allow multiple MSDs. If you put 10 MSDs into the E63S as described above, the MF goes down to 0.0015 (3.6%) and monthly drops to $1,404. Of course you've got nearly $15k locked up for the duration of the lease if you do this.
I am contemplating an E63S but I'm going to wait to see how demand shapes up first. I am leaning towards financing simply to avoid MB's ridiculous lease interest rate, which adds hundreds of dollars per month to the lease price.
Does anyone want to speculate on what payments might be on the car? Leaning towards balloon financing, but any insight would help greatly. Currently finding out what invoice on the car is.
MB finance will let you do about 35% of loan value so if car cost comes in around 109K (assuming some pkg added to 105K base) and you put 5K down then payment should be around 1375 w/balloon payment of around 36K at end of 60 months..... regular financing with all other assumptions the same would be around 1915/month
MB finance will let you do about 35% of loan value so if car cost comes in around 109K (assuming some pkg added to 105K base) and you put 5K down then payment should be around 1375 w/balloon payment of around 36K at end of 60 months..... regular financing with all other assumptions the same would be around 1915/month
That sound pretty close to what I'm getting. Most of the frou frou carbon fiber stuff doesn't interest me, and 9K on brakes is ridiculous IMO.
But anyways, now I've just got to time it to a 6-9 month window to negotiate MSRP down. I've got friends at dealerships. Just a matter of getting the right one.
The MSRP of my car was $141,860 with with options delivery included.
Here is how it was optioned out:
(disclaimer - I had to retype the list as the scan of the order doc wasn't clear. So, please forgive any typos on the order codes or other text.)
The MSRP of my car was $141,860 with with options delivery included.
Here is how it was optioned out:
(disclaimer - I had to retype the list as the scan of the order doc wasn't clear. So, please forgive any typos on the order codes or other text.)
Now, are you negotiating down from MSRP when the car comes in, or did you attempt to negotiate before buying?
I will be getting a discount from the MSRP. I would rather not say how much, but I'm happy with the deal.
Mainly posted the sheet so others could see the pricing for the various options as the build button on the mbusa site is not yet active.
If enough people post their info we will eventually be able to develop a complete list.
Agreed. No, I get you wan to keep the terms of your deal private, no problems there. Just curious if you negotiated before or after placing the order. Little strategy planning for my own purchase, heh.
Also, have you seen the difference between the stock lighting system and the Advanced system? I can't seem to tell a difference look wise. I know it does the curved lights and stuff, but wondering if there is any difference in terms of aesthetic.
All the cars I've seen in person have been the European spec - at least I'm assuming the Edition 1 at the LA auto show last year was a European model.
The only other car I've seen in person was at a dealer in Geneva in May. It's price as optioned was 171 CHF as I recall, but I don't remember all the options.
FF. W212 E63 M156 non-pano 18" P2 ParkT NightV (gone but will be missed).
Anyone who is paying MSRP is obviously overpaying. Paying over MSRP only happens when the demand is tremendous, and gotta have it NOW is more important than anything else. However, doing so is just ridiculous IMO.
I think the advanced lighting system will be awesome, I had adaptive headlights in a previous car and you could definitely see them in action, also the smart function is great for night driving in backroads with less ambient light, so the car automatically adjusts to high beams, even having one headlight on high beam while the other one is on low beam if there is another motorist on that side of the road. I do not think they will look different when off. E634Me, thanks so much for posting your build and prices, extremely helpful, I am pleasantly shocked to see the surround sound system is only 850!, that is crazy low for 23 speakers and a 400 watt sub.
E634Me - I am in the process of placing my order and my build is very similar - I am wondering about the 115V outlet and your reason for ordering it. I also wonder about the silver seat belts - I didn't see those. I'm just about to pull the trigger.
Also, I decided against the ceramic brakes even though I will have the car on my local track from time to time- I just don't think I will push it in the corners to warrant those, but maybe I should reconsider. Just want to pick your brain for the reasons on those choices.
I picked the 115 VAC outlet because that way I can power small devices that need AC should the need arise. We use the outlet in our min-van from time to time on trips as my daughters are charging their laptops or what have you. We will be taking delivery of the car in Europe and vacationing for a couple weeks. So I imagined that we'll be charging my GoPro, SLR, laptops, etc. at some point as we'll be spending a lot of time in the car.
I debated the brakes a lot. I didn't know the price exactly, but had a ball park idea.
My daily drive to work is 5 miles so they won't get much of a work out doing that. Further, my understanding is that they don't bite initially as hard as conventional brakes till warmed up. So -1 for daily use. But, in California, I do live near some very nice mountain roads, one of which I used to hit every weekend on my various motorcycles and which can be driven quite hard. The brakes will definitely get warmed up there.
The question was will they get hot enough that conventional brakes would start to fade. Probably not unless I make repeated runs. But in the hopes that they would have better bite and be more consistent I figured +1.
So still 50/50 at this point.
I do live about an hour and a half from California Speedway and four hours from Willow Springs, and six hours (on a good day through LA) from Buttonwillow.
I used to race motorcycles at these tracks and each of them have track days for cars and while I probably won't make it a regular thing, I could imagine taking the car out sometime if for no other reason than being able to open it up fully down the front straight (it isn't really straight, but rather a banked curve) at the California Speedway.
Also, I plan on keeping the car for a long time as I do most of my vehicles, so that and the above tipped the balance to deciding to go ahead and chose the brake option.
I do know that 99% of the time, or perhaps more, I would have been perfectly happy with the standard brakes.
Has anybody worked a deal for their US edition 1 yet. I have a deposit on one and I simply placed the order early to get first in line without working "a deal". Curious to know what discount off MSRP I should go after. Should I expect the 8-10% off MSRP like i usually do on my AMG's or is that unreasonable to expect?
We will be taking delivery of the car in Europe and vacationing for a couple weeks.
That is my plan for reloading on the wagon... I want to do that next summer and get my kid after her Overland camp is done. I look forward to your review of the experience.
Has anybody worked a deal for their US edition 1 yet. I have a deposit on one and I simply placed the order early to get first in line without working "a deal". Curious to know what discount off MSRP I should go after. Should I expect the 8-10% off MSRP like i usually do on my AMG's or is that unreasonable to expect?
I would say that you have a very very small chance of getting that type of discount as an early adopter in the US. These first batch of cars will bring all the money (sticker and maybe a bump) as there are always those that want to be first on the block.
There is only 6% from MSRP to dealer invoice anyways and then a variable of holdback percentages behind the invoice dependant on the dealer volume sales. I can't see anyone walking in and grabbing one for that type of discount until the cars are picking up dust or supply clearly exceeds demand; and that will come at some point like it does for almost every AMG.
I would say that you have a very very small chance of getting that type of discount as an early adopter in the US. These first batch of cars will bring all the money (sticker and maybe a bump) as there are always those that want to be first on the block.
There is only 6% from MSRP to dealer invoice anyways and then a variable of holdback percentages behind the invoice dependant on the dealer volume sales. I can't see anyone walking in and grabbing one for that type of discount until the cars are picking up dust or supply clearly exceeds demand; and that will come at some point like it does for almost every AMG.
That being said, do you think there's a distinct possibility that will all the problems they're having with certification and them sitting in ports and on docks for weeks now that it might trigger a revolt, hence making price negotiations softer?
That being said, do you think there's a distinct possibility that will all the problems they're having with certification and them sitting in ports and on docks for weeks now that it might trigger a revolt, hence making price negotiations softer?
i would say that is pretty normal as same thing is going on with the 2018 audi RS3's as well as i have been watching both
That being said, do you think there's a distinct possibility that will all the problems they're having with certification and them sitting in ports and on docks for weeks now that it might trigger a revolt, hence making price negotiations softer?
I doubt it... maybe those with order cars might have some leverage but those who just walk in and want the car because its brand new and sitting in the showroom with a 5k addendum for "air" will just get it. Of course once the market builds up with cars on the ground I see pricing dipping. For now since there are no cars, the demand will remain IMHO.
I doubt it... maybe those with order cars might have some leverage but those who just walk in and want the car because its brand new and sitting in the showroom with a 5k addendum for "air" will just get it. Of course once the market builds up with cars on the ground I see pricing dipping. For now since there are no cars, the demand will remain IMHO.
Isnt it foolish to buy one on the ground when you could just order one to your specifications?
Isnt it foolish to buy one on the ground when you could just order one to your specifications?
I would not say "foolish"... it all depends on how picky one is with what they want and also how long they intend to keep the cars (amongst other things). I'm an impulse buyer and never keep cars long so I never order the car. So do I get the perfect car for me? Hardly ever but its very very close everytime and I get the main options that I need and usually some extras (maybe waste a few dollars). But I get a car on the ground that usually has been sitting and then my factory relationship gets me a triple net of holdback price because the car is indeed on the ground.
One thing I always make sure is to get a car that has my "must haves" and because I don't order I get it faster and better pricing. The cars that generally make more sense to order due to their option tallies is Porsche cars. That is the one marquee that has a ginormous addendum and you can really custom build the car especially the interiors.
06-23-2017, 04:32 AM
