Chris Harris drives W213 E63
07-05-2017, 11:44 PM
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So I had a C63S, drove a W212 E63 for a couple of weeks and currently have an F10 M5. I get where your coming from on the comfort and I'd have thought with air suspension they could have done locked down when you wanted it but also a nice comfort setting for other times as well.
I'm in the UK so roads are pretty crap here. I'd have to say personally the M5 F10 is extremely comfortable. I've got it on 19's rather than 20's but say it's right up there with the W212 and only something like an S class / 7 series would beat it for comfort. I'm extremely happy with how it rides from a comfort point of view.
Feels like the brands are swapping here. I suspect the new M5 will drive softer in comfort than this E63S. However I still cannot help but be lured by the sound and 850Nm of torque. What a machine!
Oh and they said the C63S was a bit firm for UK roads as well but I found it fine. The seats were really comfortable and it never bothered me on a long trip. Having said that it was also a million miles away from the comfort of the M5's ride. There's always something you've got to compromise on I guess when picking a car, they all have some weak spot.
I'm in the UK so roads are pretty crap here. I'd have to say personally the M5 F10 is extremely comfortable. I've got it on 19's rather than 20's but say it's right up there with the W212 and only something like an S class / 7 series would beat it for comfort. I'm extremely happy with how it rides from a comfort point of view.
Feels like the brands are swapping here. I suspect the new M5 will drive softer in comfort than this E63S. However I still cannot help but be lured by the sound and 850Nm of torque. What a machine!
Oh and they said the C63S was a bit firm for UK roads as well but I found it fine. The seats were really comfortable and it never bothered me on a long trip. Having said that it was also a million miles away from the comfort of the M5's ride. There's always something you've got to compromise on I guess when picking a car, they all have some weak spot.
Would you say f10 m5 and w212 e63 both in comfort mode is comparable or does the BMW feel a bit more smooth than the E riding on the 19" wheels?
07-06-2017, 01:47 AM
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It's hard not to be impressed by a review like that, especially when he claims AMG has addressed the biggest complaints I've personally had with the W212. I thought I read that the W213 has gone back to full Airmatic suspension. If that is true maybe I can hope for a better comfort setting for the daily routine than what the W212 offers.
07-06-2017, 03:35 AM
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interesting comparison. I guess the c63s makes sense to be more unformatable as it's more meant to feel like an m3 which is more of a track type car if I'm not mistaken.
Would you say f10 m5 and w212 e63 both in comfort mode is comparable or does the BMW feel a bit more smooth than the E riding on the 19" wheels?
Would you say f10 m5 and w212 e63 both in comfort mode is comparable or does the BMW feel a bit more smooth than the E riding on the 19" wheels?
My dealer loaned me originally a Comp Pack F10 M5 on 20's originally and after an hours drive on our UK roads I wanted to get out of the cars. Probably the 30% stiffer suspension vs the 20's more but regardless that put me off the M5 a lot at the time. I ordered the C63S but was back when the car was brand new and had a ton of build quality issues. Returned that and took a gamble and ordered the M5 without Comp Pack and on 19's in the hope it would be acceptable. I was completely shocked and blown away how comfortable it was when I got it after experiencing the same car at the other end of the spectrum.
It's hard not to be impressed by a review like that, especially when he claims AMG has addressed the biggest complaints I've personally had with the W212. I thought I read that the W213 has gone back to full Airmatic suspension. If that is true maybe I can hope for a better comfort setting for the daily routine than what the W212 offers.
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07-06-2017, 11:55 AM
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It's hard not to be impressed by a review like that, especially when he claims AMG has addressed the biggest complaints I've personally had with the W212. I thought I read that the W213 has gone back to full Airmatic suspension. If that is true maybe I can hope for a better comfort setting for the daily routine than what the W212 offers.
From their website:
The E 63's advanced, lightweight adaptive air suspension responds with equal skill to the demands of the city streets, winding roads and challenging tracks. Its AMG-calibrated sensors and pressurized air spring-struts can respond within milliseconds to road-surface and driving conditions. It also self-lowers at speed to further enhance handling stability and efficiency. Versatile 3-stage adaptive damping includes refined Comfort, reduced-roll Sport and highly rigid Sport+ modes.
07-23-2017, 07:52 AM
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It's awesome mercedes has created this vehicle and left the more comfortable GT all around experience to BMW and Porsche. This is kind of what we all wanted for every generation of AMG through, I'd say, the w212 e63.
For more balanced comfort the e43 is available and that is being lauded as far and away the best balance of sport and comfort avail today.
So long story short, to hell with ride comfort. That's a compromise I'm happy to make
For more balanced comfort the e43 is available and that is being lauded as far and away the best balance of sport and comfort avail today.
So long story short, to hell with ride comfort. That's a compromise I'm happy to make
07-25-2017, 11:02 PM
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It's hard not to be impressed by a review like that, especially when he claims AMG has addressed the biggest complaints I've personally had with the W212. I thought I read that the W213 has gone back to full Airmatic suspension. If that is true maybe I can hope for a better comfort setting for the daily routine than what the W212 offers.
07-25-2017, 11:21 PM
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I don't quite understand the desire for a 600+HP car and the handling of a luxury car. If you seek speed / acceleration, then IMO a chassis that is stiff enough to accommodate the same is required. On the other hand, if you want a soft ride, then it will not be stable with power / torque at this level. To me, it is a compromise. Your opinion probably differs.
07-25-2017, 11:56 PM
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Here in California we have a nice mix of roads, flat and straight, and mountainous and curvy.
Acceleration is nice everywhere of course, but for me, handling on the mountain roads takes a priority over outright speed. On Palomar mountain you can have a lot of fun without breaking 55 MPH in most places - though I've hit a buck thirty on sport bikes in a spot or two.
Will be interesting to see how the E63 does up there.
07-26-2017, 12:21 AM
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It will be the best 4 door ever made & will deliver on so many levels
Speed and acceleration, or visa versa, are a must for drag strip and stoplight hopping. Probably enough for some parts of the country where the roads are straight for miles upon miles.
Here in California we have a nice mix of roads, flat and straight, and mountainous and curvy.
Acceleration is nice everywhere of course, but for me, handling on the mountain roads takes a priority over outright speed. On Palomar mountain you can have a lot of fun without breaking 55 MPH in most places - though I've hit a buck thirty on sport bikes in a spot or two.
Will be interesting to see how the E63 does up there.
Here in California we have a nice mix of roads, flat and straight, and mountainous and curvy.
Acceleration is nice everywhere of course, but for me, handling on the mountain roads takes a priority over outright speed. On Palomar mountain you can have a lot of fun without breaking 55 MPH in most places - though I've hit a buck thirty on sport bikes in a spot or two.
Will be interesting to see how the E63 does up there.
07-26-2017, 01:58 AM
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Speed and acceleration, or visa versa, are a must for drag strip and stoplight hopping. Probably enough for some parts of the country where the roads are straight for miles upon miles.
Here in California we have a nice mix of roads, flat and straight, and mountainous and curvy.
Acceleration is nice everywhere of course, but for me, handling on the mountain roads takes a priority over outright speed. On Palomar mountain you can have a lot of fun without breaking 55 MPH in most places - though I've hit a buck thirty on sport bikes in a spot or two.
Will be interesting to see how the E63 does up there.
Here in California we have a nice mix of roads, flat and straight, and mountainous and curvy.
Acceleration is nice everywhere of course, but for me, handling on the mountain roads takes a priority over outright speed. On Palomar mountain you can have a lot of fun without breaking 55 MPH in most places - though I've hit a buck thirty on sport bikes in a spot or two.
Will be interesting to see how the E63 does up there.
07-26-2017, 01:57 PM
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And if this car is anywhere near as non-receptive to modding as the W212, it will push this even further out of my taste.
07-26-2017, 03:00 PM
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07-26-2017, 06:35 PM
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If I get it:
Lower slightly
Resonator or 2nd cat delete to enhance the already strong AMG exhaust set up
Tune (if available)
Tint
Spacers on the OEM wheels
And call it a quick and easy day
07-26-2017, 07:19 PM
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W212 n/a or TT? I believe there is still room in the car (W213) with the twin scrolls for a good gain tune to jump in along with even DP's which will easily put you in the 130's.
If I get it:
Lower slightly
Resonator or 2nd cat delete to enhance the already strong AMG exhaust set up
Tune (if available)
Tint
Spacers on the OEM wheels
And call it a quick and easy day
If I get it:
Lower slightly
Resonator or 2nd cat delete to enhance the already strong AMG exhaust set up
Tune (if available)
Tint
Spacers on the OEM wheels
And call it a quick and easy day
I think there's more potential in the W213 platform, especially with the twin scroll turbos and a better launch program but like the W212, I doubt MB will allow us to do much more than the basics again.
07-26-2017, 07:31 PM
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W212 TT. Sadly it just doesn't respond accordingly to anything but a basic tune.
I think there's more potential in the W213 platform, especially with the twin scroll turbos and a better launch program but like the W212, I doubt MB will allow us to do much more than the basics again.
I think there's more potential in the W213 platform, especially with the twin scroll turbos and a better launch program but like the W212, I doubt MB will allow us to do much more than the basics again.
07-26-2017, 07:43 PM
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Sounds about right.
W212 n/a or TT? I believe there is still room in the car (W213) with the twin scrolls for a good gain tune to jump in along with even DP's which will easily put you in the 130's.
If I get it:
Lower slightly
Resonator or 2nd cat delete to enhance the already strong AMG exhaust set up
Tune (if available)
Tint
Spacers on the OEM wheels
And call it a quick and easy day
If I get it:
Lower slightly
Resonator or 2nd cat delete to enhance the already strong AMG exhaust set up
Tune (if available)
Tint
Spacers on the OEM wheels
And call it a quick and easy day
Also gonna add sport cup 2 for the track...
07-26-2017, 08:02 PM
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What are your power goals or track trap expectations in your next car that you get and mod? I dont know of many cars (sedans) that take a simple tune and will hit 130 traps; the RS7 is one of them and then they have some really strong cars that are stage 2+ that are in the lower 10's. Im sure the W213 will be there too.
The RS7 definitely looks like it's going to be my next car. I've been so frustrated with the W212 that I even looked at the CTS-V the other week!
07-27-2017, 10:49 AM
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What are your power goals or track trap expectations in your next car that you get and mod? I dont know of many cars (sedans) that take a simple tune and will hit 130 traps; the RS7 is one of them and then they have some really strong cars that are stage 2+ that are in the lower 10's. Im sure the W213 will be there too.
the trq limiter and other nannies MB has built in have still not been overcome by tuners and thus adding 250 whp only gain 3/10ths of a second and 4mph at the track
and we still cant get much better than 1.7/1.8 60ft times regardless of power
meanwhile our main competition, F10 M5, is in the 9's and trapping 140s
hopefully the W213 will be more tuner friendly and the trq limiters and nannies will be easier to raise/ remove
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07-27-2017, 12:55 PM
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I'm not sure I get exactly the point of this. If you just want a high output vehicle that goes quickly in a straight line, why not buy a Tesla?
Or for that matter, save some money and by a 4WD diesel truck. Doesn't take much modding to get serious HP out of them and surprisingly low ETs. There are plenty of cars you could buy for a lot less to modify to go faster for a smaller total investment.
My stock R1 would beat this car, and dollar for dollar, performance mods on a bike will get way lower ETs than on any car.
Haven't been to a drag strip since they shut down Carlsbad and turned it into an industrial park. But still, would much rather be on a track that includes corners ;-)
Or for that matter, save some money and by a 4WD diesel truck. Doesn't take much modding to get serious HP out of them and surprisingly low ETs. There are plenty of cars you could buy for a lot less to modify to go faster for a smaller total investment.
My stock R1 would beat this car, and dollar for dollar, performance mods on a bike will get way lower ETs than on any car.
Haven't been to a drag strip since they shut down Carlsbad and turned it into an industrial park. But still, would much rather be on a track that includes corners ;-)
07-27-2017, 01:18 PM
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I'm not sure I get exactly the point of this. If you just want a high output vehicle that goes quickly in a straight line, why not buy a Tesla?
Or for that matter, save some money and by a 4WD diesel truck. Doesn't take much modding to get serious HP out of them and surprisingly low ETs. There are plenty of cars you could buy for a lot less to modify to go faster for a smaller total investment.
My stock R1 would beat this car, and dollar for dollar, performance mods on a bike will get way lower ETs than on any car.
Haven't been to a drag strip since they shut down Carlsbad and turned it into an industrial park. But still, would much rather be on a track that includes corners ;-)
Or for that matter, save some money and by a 4WD diesel truck. Doesn't take much modding to get serious HP out of them and surprisingly low ETs. There are plenty of cars you could buy for a lot less to modify to go faster for a smaller total investment.
My stock R1 would beat this car, and dollar for dollar, performance mods on a bike will get way lower ETs than on any car.
Haven't been to a drag strip since they shut down Carlsbad and turned it into an industrial park. But still, would much rather be on a track that includes corners ;-)
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07-27-2017, 01:45 PM
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I guess because they want to be in a safe car and use it as a daily driver for the streets while at the same time having the speed and all the luxury to go along with it.
Tesla is only faster up to 60 then it's a fail.
Tesla is only faster up to 60 then it's a fail.
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07-27-2017, 02:48 PM
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My motto has always been "Too much power is almost enough".
But, if it's about driving it on the street, then the focus on a few tenths better ET or trap speed is a useless metric. You can't feel the difference without the external gear to measure it for you.
In real life street racing, the reaction time at light changes isn't being measured so if someone leaves early and beats you to the next light by 0.3 seconds - how are you to know they didn't cheat. As far as you know, you lost when in fact you and your car may have been 0.2 seconds faster.
Getting all into shaving tenths at the track and then saying it's because you need that for street use, and you can tell the difference is a bit silly - IMO.
Don't get me wrong, I've done plenty of racing on both the track and the street, in a straight line and with turns thrown in. This car will be driven fairly hard from time to time, but I'm not going to loose sleep over whether I hit 60 in 3.3 or 3.4 seconds after I left Starbucks.
But, if it's about driving it on the street, then the focus on a few tenths better ET or trap speed is a useless metric. You can't feel the difference without the external gear to measure it for you.
In real life street racing, the reaction time at light changes isn't being measured so if someone leaves early and beats you to the next light by 0.3 seconds - how are you to know they didn't cheat. As far as you know, you lost when in fact you and your car may have been 0.2 seconds faster.
Getting all into shaving tenths at the track and then saying it's because you need that for street use, and you can tell the difference is a bit silly - IMO.
Don't get me wrong, I've done plenty of racing on both the track and the street, in a straight line and with turns thrown in. This car will be driven fairly hard from time to time, but I'm not going to loose sleep over whether I hit 60 in 3.3 or 3.4 seconds after I left Starbucks.
