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Rudi Uhlenhaut, the famous Mercedes-Benz race engineer and development driver of the Fifties and Sixties, was a shuffler. Rally drivers tend to shuffle because they frequently turn the wheel more than one hundred and eighty degrees in a corner. And the famous Evolution School teaches its autocrossing students a variation of shuffle-steering in which the driver makes oneposition change before the corner and maintains constant position through that corner.
I've owned group B rally cars and drove them all with this technique safely in the canyons but you are welcome to follow me in the canyons with your hands taped to the wheel at 9-3 if you can..
Its a requirement for passing your drivers test in the UK where I was first got my licence at 17, 35 years ago. In the US they give away driving licences, even the cab drivers don't pass any format test. We have cabbies with the knowledge, which was useful before google maps.
That is stunning, honestly. Nice job on that one, jeez. Strikes the right combination between sporty and elegant. Love it!
Agreed, really feeling this brown leather + dark trim look (awesome job). Am seriously considering the wagon in dark grey, but grey on back on black seemed really dark. No way we'd do white seats though, 2 younger kids.
I think I'll go with ash black wood though. Carbon fiber feels a little TOO sporty for a wagon to me, plus the wife wants a less sporty look.
Agreed, really feeling this brown leather + dark trim look (awesome job). Am seriously considering the wagon in dark grey, but grey on back on black seemed really dark. No way we'd do white seats though, 2 younger kids.
I think I'll go with ash black wood though. Carbon fiber feels a little TOO sporty for a wagon to me, plus the wife wants a less sporty look.
I'm doing the brown leather with the black ash as well, white exterior with night package and black wheels (on my wagon order).
Agreed, really feeling this brown leather + dark trim look (awesome job). Am seriously considering the wagon in dark grey, but grey on back on black seemed really dark. No way we'd do white seats though, 2 younger kids.
I think I'll go with ash black wood though. Carbon fiber feels a little TOO sporty for a wagon to me, plus the wife wants a less sporty look.
What will she say the first time you nail the throttle..."too sporty" ?
Ok, so tomorrow I'm in for a reality session on a Dyno Dynamics dyno to see the real wheel numbers after my OE flash tune..
I wish I had done a before dyno but impulse mods are my life.. Stay tuned..
2018 E63 S (white wagon), 2016 Viper ACR Extreme, 2005 Porsche GT3 Cup race car,2020 GLE
Boys lets set the record straight with driving - late braking transfers weight to the front and lightens up the rear hence reduces under steer which means it can be used to create over steer. So say braking late creates under steer is 100% wrong. Maybe you meant he is trying to carry to much entry speed? This will create under steer on our cars
The shuffling of hands is ok maybe not needed for some of the turns but its ok . You shuffle when you know or think you may need over 180 deg on the wheel. If you only need 90 deg input for the turn no need to shuffle you will be smother with flow without the shuffle on less radius turns
Ronin - just curious being a car guy and since you do drive the car hard why you didn't go with the Forged rim option?
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Boys lets set the record straight with driving - late braking transfers weight to the front and lightens up the rear hence reduces under steer which means it can be used to create over steer. So say braking late creates understeer is 100% wrong. Maybe you meant he is trying to carry to much entry speed? This will create under steer on our cars
Well after a driving high HP AWD race and street cars for over 40yrs. I gotta say you will plow right off the corner due to "understeer" and inertia if you come in too hot... "Understeer = late braking, too much speed on corner entry without enough front end grip."
These cars are rear bias until they're not. 265 fronts and 295 rears is default understeer built in for safety.
I know I will be adding more tire to the front very soon.
Understeer is when you can see the trees when you go off, Oversteer is when you can't...
I'm living with the stock wheels for now and I see no reason to change out to expensive forged wheels for a street car.
What is your opinion on the seats? Are they uncomfortable?
I test drove the massaging seats and hated them, I said cancel my order but a few days later my car came in with the sport seats I changed my mind as soon as I sat in them.
I think they are perfect for me.. broad back-narrow hips
2018 E63 S (white wagon), 2016 Viper ACR Extreme, 2005 Porsche GT3 Cup race car,2020 GLE
Understeer = late barking you are 100%wrong . Carrying to much speed and braking Too late yes can cause Under steer but when you say "late braking" well that what sets amateurs apart professional drivers. We late brake for a living . Late braking is good too late braking is bad
I think you are confusing " Late Braking" with "Too late braking" . Brake weight transfer is one of the best ways to stop Under steer and induce over steer. It helps point the nose
You even reference to much entry speed causing under steer and that correct . However that's not from late braking its that you didn't take off enough speed . I think you might mean the same but you are not using the right terminology and might confuse people into thinking the wrong things
Understeer = late barking you are 100%wrong . Carrying to much speed and braking Too late yes can cause Under steer but when you say "late braking" well that what sets amateurs apart professional drivers. We late brake for a living . Late braking is good too late braking is bad
I think you are confusing " Late Braking" with "Too late braking" . Brake weight transfer is one of the best ways to stop Under steer and induce over steer. It helps point the nose
You even reference to much entry speed causing under steer and that correct . However that's not from late braking its that you didn't take off enough speed . I think you might mean the same but you are not using the right terminology and might confuse people into thinking the wrong things
Well you will never know you were "too late braking" [also known as crashing] when you understeer off the cliff... You can't reduce understeer by nose diving [weight transfer] into a turn on the brakes with a 4,700 lb AWD car at speed.
Come on now I am talking about driving in the canyons in a 12' wide lane. The idea is to not transfer any weight but to stay flat and neutral as you enter a corner and power steer out...I use engine braking [down shifting] to help add more rear wheel braking to keep things level.
We are talking canyon driving right ?
I guess I'll stick with my driving style and you yours.. I've never had an off in the canyons in any of my AWD Group B cars or in any car. Brake early and exit fast. oh yeah never cross the centerline.
I guess I'll just be happy with my amateur 1:17 at Big Willow in my Ford RS200E group b rally car.
Well you will never know you were too late braking when you understeer off the cliff... You can't reduce understeer by nose diving [weight transfer] into a turn on the brakes with a 4,700 lb AWD car at speed.
Come on now I am talking about driving in the canyons in a 12' wide lane. The idea is to not transfer any weight but to stay flat and neutral as you enter a corner and power steer out...I use engine braking [down shifting] to help add more rear wheel braking to keep things level.
We are talking canyon driving right ?
I guess I'll stick with my driving style and you yours.. I've never had an off in the canyons in any of my AWD Group B cars or in any car. Brake early and exit fast. oh yeah never cross the centerline.
I guess I'll just be happy with my amateur 1:17 at Big Willow in my Ford RS200E group b rally car.
12-04-2017, 10:55 PM
