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Swapped my Pirelli P Zeros for Michelin PS4s today! Check this out

Old 05-17-2018, 09:32 PM
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Swapped my Pirelli P Zeros for Michelin PS4s today! Check this out

Two days old and 50 miles and here I am swapping my P Zeros for the PS4S. I will keep the P Zeros for lease end. I will likely have to put them on with about 6-8 months left on my lease. Figured the Michelins would be better for the majority of the time the car is here, Anyway, I got a good deal on the Michelins from a local tire shop that has done me right in the past. They took their time and all went well, except a little bit of extra effort getting the 295-30s back on the rear rims. So the odd thing is that the Michelin 295/30s are noticeably wider than then Pirelli. I did not look at the fronts for differences. I took pictures. It is not an optical illusion. This may be why the rears were a bit stubborn to mount. Here are the pics to prove it! Still babying the car, plus still raining here so no real comparisons. Just trusting that the Michelins are better.




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The PS4 or PS4S?
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Trust me, you made a good decision. Make sure that you store the Pirrelli's away from light and heat. Otherwise, they will be useless in three years. Also, the rear tires Are wider than the Pirrelli's. That also means that the sidewalks are a bit taller too to keep the same ratio.
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Shouldn't a 295 be a 295?? The PS4S is pretty square, but that is so noticeable. I have some 305s I am mounting to my R8 so I thought I would compare, and those are noticeably wider than my current 305 tires as well. Here you can see the difference in squareness.

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Depends on the sidewall structure.

I just swapped my P Zeros with Hankook evo2 and I think the evo2 are not as wide(they are same size) because they dont rub lol
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Depends on the sidewall structure.

I just swapped my P Zeros with Hankook evo2 and I think the evo2 are not as wide(they are same size) because they dont rub lol
Exactly, the sidewall on the Kooks are more round which takes away from the contact patch/tread width. The PS4S are more square.

I pulled this from TireRack:

Pirelli OEM for 2018 E63S has a 10.1 tread width



Michelin PS4S OEM for 2018 E63S shows a wider tread width (disregard the Eco part- I confirmed its our OEM tire spec wise)

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Hello,
Does anyone know if a wider Mercedes wheel like 10.5 or 11” will fit for the rears?
Then we can use the 305/30/20 version which is a closer match with the fronts in revs per mile (764).
The 305 requires a minimum 10.5 wheel.
I have a 2019 on order with a confirmed build date on June.
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Originally Posted by Lucabratsi
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Does anyone know if a wider Mercedes wheel like 10.5 or 11” will fit for the rears?
Then we can use the 305/30/20 version which is a closer match with the fronts in revs per mile (764).
The 305 requires a minimum 10.5 wheel.
I have a 2019 on order with a confirmed build date on June.
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I have some Brixton Forged wheels on order that Brixton selected as 20 x 11's in the rear. I'm not sure of the offset but told them the car will be lowered, and that I wanted to fill the well out without the use of spacers. I'm hoping that my car will come with the PS4S since if they do, I will put them on the new wheels. If it comes with the Pirellis, then perhaps I will see whether I can fit a PS4S 305 in the rear?
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Pirelli’s 305/30 will sit well on the rear. I have bought one used rear pair to burn them. I’m sure Michelin will stick out a bit, as on stock 295/30 they fit well while Pirelli’s are a bit narrow due to their tread width
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does anyone have pics of the 295 pzeros vs 295 michelins mounted on car? the 295 pzeros definitely look too narrow with the rim poking out of them, wondering if going 295 michelin is enough to appease me vs going 305

the diameter difference at 305 is negligible and unlikely many of us are driving the car to the point where that change is going to make an impact on your sidewall feeling unless youre regularly on a track
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Originally Posted by E63Spresso
does anyone have pics of the 295 pzeros vs 295 michelins mounted on car? the 295 pzeros definitely look too narrow with the rim poking out of them, wondering if going 295 michelin is enough to appease me vs going 305

the diameter difference at 305 is negligible and unlikely many of us are driving the car to the point where that change is going to make an impact on your sidewall feeling unless youre regularly on a track
I just put a new set of PS4's on my E63 and they are SO FAT in the rear. Chonky. Zero poke from the wheel rim.
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​​​​​​Can anyone share the relative noise levels and other tire characteristics vs the Pirelli's. I've never had a set of tires that I wanted off the car so bad.

I'd cut them up and burn them to assure nobody else had to endure them.
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Originally Posted by YYC53
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​​​​​​Can anyone share the relative noise levels and other tire characteristics vs the Pirelli's. I've never had a set of tires that I wanted off the car so bad.

I'd cut them up and burn them to assure nobody else had to endure them.
If they are run-flats, that may be your issue. Run-flats are generally loud. My car came with run-flats (GoodYear F1) and it sounded like I was driving a lifted redneck pickup truck.

I replaced them with Standard tires (PS4S) and problem solved.

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same feeling here, so much road noise and feels so extra stiff

what does everyone generally do for flat tire situations when swapping to non-runflats? the flat tire goop and just head to swap ASAP?
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post some pics! if theyre as you say they are im burning my pirellis tomorrow
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Originally Posted by E63Spresso
same feeling here, so much road noise and feels so extra stiff

what does everyone generally do for flat tire situations when swapping to non-runflats? the flat tire goop and just head to swap ASAP?
I hope I don't jinx myself by saying this, but the last time I had a tire compromised to where it could no longer be driven on was 2004.

Given the rarity of the occurrence and the advancements in modern tire technology, I don't lose any sleep over it myself. Having AAA is a plus also.

I kinda see it like carrying 8 gallons of coolant in my trunk in case my radiator explodes one day, lol.

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fair point and i have AAA so i guess im picking up some michelins
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BTW, I'm not saying I'm right but it's the way I see it and I guess I may be a bit of a risk taker. :p

However, I do carry a tire plug kit and a 12v air compressor/tire inflator just in case something were to happen out in BFE.

This is my second Mercedes that I've ditched the run-flats with zero regrets. Standard tires have made both of mine much more enjoyable cars with better ride quality.

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Originally Posted by Keith66
If they are run-flats, that may be your issue. Run-flats are generally loud. My car came with run-flats (GoodYear F1) and it sounded like I was driving a lifted redneck pickup truck.

I replaced them with Standard tires (PS4S) and problem solved.
That's how every good-year tire I've ever had sounded even when they weren't run-flats.
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That's how every good-year tire I've ever had sounded even when they weren't run-flats.
Agreed, I've noticed the same with the GoodYears I've had in the past.

My W205 came with run-flat PS3 A/S and I swapped them to Standard PS3 A/S and they were quieter and rode much better. At least in my experiences, run-flats are harder and louder.


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