Vic55

They are a MY 19 but his point was the non CE cars have zero change except that Apple Car Play is std vs an option. Other than that 19's are the same and the CE is not a package but instead a different car with the pricing built into the base msrp. In the past it was called a Competition Package aka ZCP and was listed in the monroney as an itemized option but now its an Edition and its own msrp.

limeypride

Vic, this is absolutely in no way whatsoever helping me you inconsiderate and well-informed $#@%!#$

chiromikey

S63AMG888

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Slugsy

Vic55

If you wait for the new RS7, you might just end up waiting for another car that is announced and thus you will enter the lifetime waiting game LOL.

It believe its in the electronics. When my E63S was stock and I had it in the most aggressive modes the pedal was still a bit mushy to response. And the ZF in my Jag, similar hardware to the M5 but not electronics was also slower and that was with a supercharger vs a turbo which should have less lag. The M5 just grabbed off my lighter press...

Could have been the modes you were in?? Hardware is hardware- Its in the software as a tune clearly made my E63S a more responsive unit.

Wolfman

Thanks for a great summary! To me, this is also why there is no compelling reason to make a switch. Other than being a shiny new toy or my wife's backpain forcing to move to a cushier ride, these cars are just so similar, ending up with minor gains in one or another area. Both MB and BMW have done a great job with each one to cater to their core audience in subtle ways.
From a design perspective I feel the AMG and especially the Edition 1 is more cohesive and stands apart from a standard E-Class. Very extrovert and I like it that way The BMW is a sleeper as you mentioned but the M5's attributes make me look forward to the M8. They just can't get the rear-ends right these days.

For anyone who hasn't pulled the trigger in the US, MY18 M5's will be a true bargain...

Slugsy

Vic55

Yeah Wolf no doubt on all points... the only reason Ill do it is because I like to change dynamics and I think the M5 will also react (or has already) to tuning better.

I have to say the M5 even in sport plus damper mode was much much more compliant than our cars in Comfort mode. Night and day... something that didnt bother me though either way with the E or M, yet again just two different ways to drive a nice handling car.

absent

Didn't bother me either in rental E63 in Beverly Hills but I would appreciate a more complying suspension on our 3rd World condition roads in Chicago.
Btw, had the new Alpina B7 through Turo this weekend in LA and was floored by how good that entire package was.

Carac

The M5 has a torque converter while the E63 has a wet clutch. It's why the M5's launch control will only hold for a few seconds, because the brakes are the only thing keeping you from rolling off while the E63 can sit revving and it just drops the clutch, which is why it launches harder.

chiromikey

Carac

Maybe Pre-W213


And some magazine had the M5 go into limp mode from trying to launch, had to drive it around until it went away while the other host stood beside the E63, waiting.


Writing off the current E63's transmission because of history would be a mistake.

Both are awesome cars with almost identical performance. It mainly comes down to which you like being in better.

But mark my words, when they facelift the new M5, they will get rid of the physical rings in the instrument cluster and go full digital.

Vic55

The car(s) I drove had the rings but they are displayed digitally. There are no more hard pieces and a needle for that matter.


If I am actually using launch control then I think the MCT is going to have the advantage based on what Carac stated but for impromptu line up with no LC- it would be a toss up under brake boost. I used to brake boost my tuned RS7's and Bentley with nice results via the ZF.

Carac

I meant the rings that are just sitting on the black screen when the car is off that look dumb and tacked on where some designer just couldn't let go of having a physical representation of the outline of a dial instead of just a digital outline. They're already admitting it's a mistake with the 8 series, X-5, and every other new BMW that has the full digital display, no silver plastic trim over the screen. The 5-series was this weird halfstep where they could have gone screen only like everyone else but just couldn't let go.

Vic55

Oh hahaah I see what you meant now. I didnt really notice it much as I was focused on the HUD which is slightly better IMO than the E's.

Carac

It's doubly confusing because the i8 I bought in 2014 was already sporting a full LCD display when almost no one else was and they went backwards from there.

And I agree about the HUD, I just wish they would stop aligning the LCD used in the HUD diagonally so it worked with polarized glasses. When they first started putting LCD's all over the place in cars, companies like Ray-ban started to shift the polarization 45 degrees so that you could see the screens. Then the car companies rotated the alignment of pixels to "fix" a problem glasses companies already had (a new pair of glasses is cheaper than a new car) so now the new glasses that were changed to work with LCDs are once again aligned with the HUD so it's half brightness looking straight at the windshield, invisible if you turn your head 45 degrees one way, and full brightness if you turn it 45 the other. That's an aside, but I just had to rant.

Vic55

I gave up on polarized lenses a long time ago... they tripped me out.

chiromikey

Vic55

I see the zero to 60 numbers as being better in almost every scenario but I know that doesnt mean the actual launch is better which I believe you are alluding to. (60 ft).

Carac

On the whole, I'm pretty sure anyone that's driven AMGs for a decade+ would agree that the transmissions have never been better in the cars.

The M5 and AMG are so close objectively now that it really just comes down to subjective feelings about the two.

chiromikey

Vic55

I will say this after owning 5 MCT's before the E63S; this is the best of the lot in regards to response and aggressiveness (MCT that is). Finally a paddle shift input that changes the gear rather quickly vs the delay on the other cars Ive had.

I like the MCT for its racey feel but it can be annoying with the downshifts and thuds- while the ZF is buttery smooth but one cant always feel the car responding to the gear changes. Again, two ways to win!!!

chiromikey

Amg63-

I agree, and i think the 0-60 time is only better now because it has more power than the previous models but not because of it launching any better.

Im almost sure that without LC or brake boost, just using the mash-and-go method the M5 with the torque converter will launch harder than the E63s MCT.