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Old 09-19-2018, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ronin amg
What part of what I've been saying is not sinking in.... -2.6 camber a slightly stretched tire [rounded sidewall] AWD digging for corner grip...
Sometimes I should just not post on forums where the responders know only what others regurgitate is nonsense...
Originally Posted by ronin amg
My car rides fine.
Stock calls for 51,49 and running on lower pressures will make the soft sidewalls even softer in the corners... If they set your car at 41psi. all around they should not be working at a Mercedes dealership.
Originally Posted by ronin amg
What else can I say but "you are an idiot"...Most manufactures make changes to improve a cars handling and performance every year, you didn't read my posts or even look at the pretty pictures and links..
I "drive" my cars and I have always made them handle better than stock..
So after fatter front tires, the inner tire wear continued.
Higher tire pressure, knowing better than MB engineers (not to mention any other person on this site), K Crap junk bushings (your words, cannot say I disagree completely)....yet the same ordeal persists......

I hope these arms do not follow your history of asking for input and inserting your own solutions that have failed so far
Old 09-19-2018, 08:47 PM
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Maybe it's the angle of the photo, but those bushings look more than just readjusted to me - they look deformed. Especially the left one.
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Old 09-20-2018, 02:10 AM
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Maybe it's the angle of the photo, but those bushings look more than just readjusted to me - they look deformed. Especially the left one.
Yup they are K-Crap
Old 09-20-2018, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ronin amg
I asked for input to see if anyone here actually knew anything about these cars and except for a few that I chat with that's about it.
A small handful of real car guys and the rest are just check writers with no knowledge..

The only thing that has failed on my car were these K-Crap bushings so please just shove your comments up your *** so that you can keep them to yourself.
Oh yeah and then insults, well at least you have a lot more to offer there than 47 years of racing and building cars ever taught you
Old 09-21-2018, 11:53 AM
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You got the response you were looking for since you had nothing to add in this thread, so next time please ignore my postings.
Old 10-20-2018, 07:18 PM
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The F-1 website only show a front camber kit for the S-Series. Is it the same for the e63s?
Old 10-20-2018, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackdog1
The F-1 website only show a front camber kit for the S-Series. Is it the same for the e63s?
I'm not sure, best thing to do is give them a call..
Old 11-29-2018, 12:05 PM
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Here's a update on my suspension setup..

So after three months and a few thousand miles I have to say the urethane bushings on my F1 front upper control arms were driving me fucccckin nuts with the squeaking.
They made my $150k wagon sound like a $500 crapbox inside while driving. It was so bad that I actually started thinking about returning it to stock and look at other cars, yes it was that bad..

I gave F1 a call and convinced them to make me another set of arms but this time using OEM Mercedes replaceable rubber bushings....

The car is perfect "new car quite" and there is no noticeable difference between the rubber vs urethane bushings in handling...
R$D is my friend.. I highly recommend these camber adjustable front upper control arms..

My ride height is from the ground to fender lip is 27.25 and have -1.6 camber with 285/30/20 tires..



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Old 11-29-2018, 12:58 PM
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I'm having the same issue and driving me nuts, too. Appreciate the updated post, Ronin. Will call F-1 and have them send arms with the new bushings.
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Old 12-23-2018, 09:18 PM
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Are you guys calling in requesting oem bushings, also I noticed that there is one version that comes with red or black bushings....what’s what? Thanks
Old 12-23-2018, 09:36 PM
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You definitely want oem bushings. The poly bushings squeak constantly.
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Old 12-24-2018, 02:46 AM
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Are you guys calling in requesting oem bushings, also I noticed that there is one version that comes with red or black bushings....what’s what? Thanks
I just chatted with F1 via Facebook and asked for an invoice. That way I could specify exactly what I wanted.
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Originally Posted by ronin amg
Seriously, you post a picture of a failed component from F1-Fabrication as if means something to me or anyone that has been modifying and building cars for over 40 yrs.
You product sucks and if 95 ft.lb. of torque isn't gonna hold it in place it's a pice of crap.
Ya know it's not the money for the junk you sell but the waste of my time that really pisses me off.
Having to have my car realigned three times at $250 each plus the price of two new OEM lower control arms at $700 and installed tells me your K-mac junk is just crap..

Seriously a +/- .3* adjustment is a joke, sorry dude your stuff is crap..

These are my lower control arms and you can clearly see the K-crap bushings have moved even when torqued down to 95 ft lb.
They were originally set for less negative camber equal on both sides, their rotation to more negative camber screws everything up and it does it unevenly.. Again R$D is done by the customer in the real world..

K-Crap camber bushings at the time the lower arms were removed after a short drive through the canyons...


I had the exact same problem on my W205 C63 coupe with the kmacs slipping in and out of spec, and having to get allignments done every couple months. Car also felt horribly floaty on at high corners. Never again.

I just lowered my E63s, so i'll be looking into the F1 fab control arms for a camber solution. Thanks for the heads up Ronin.
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Old 08-20-2020, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Pank11
Are you guys calling in requesting oem bushings, also I noticed that there is one version that comes with red or black bushings....what’s what? Thanks
This website no longer works, where can I contact these guys?
Old 08-20-2020, 03:21 PM
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This website no longer works, where can I contact these guys?
Never used their products but found this on their FB page: https://f1-fabrication.myshopify.com/
Old 08-21-2020, 11:58 AM
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Never used their products but found this on their FB page: https://f1-fabrication.myshopify.com/
I checked out that website as well, but there isn't anything listed for W213 E63s. I found a similar product on Ebay, but not sure if it's from the same guys.

https://www.ebay.com/i/293602597234?...SABEgItl_D_BwE
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I pulled F1's email addy off Facebook (just do a search for F1 Fabrication). He responded right away.
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I pulled F1's email addy off Facebook (just do a search for F1 Fabrication). He responded right away.
Thank you. I placed on order with them through Ebay, looks like they won't have my kit available till early September but I'm not in a rush.
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Originally Posted by raudiace4
Thank you. I placed on order with them through Ebay, looks like they won't have my kit available till early September but I'm not in a rush.
I have a set of F1 upper A arms with urethane bushings, I didn't like the squeak I could hear so I had them do a set with the OEM rubber bushings for a quieter ride.
If ya don't mind a little squeak on bumpy roads I'll make ya a killer deal on them..
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Originally Posted by ronin amg
I have a set of F1 upper A arms with urethane bushings, I didn't like the squeak I could hear so I had them do a set with the OEM rubber bushings for a quieter ride.
If ya don't mind a little squeak on bumpy roads I'll make ya a killer deal on them..
Thanks for the offer but I already order the ones with the OEM rubber bushings from F1.
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Old 08-24-2020, 05:13 PM
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I just received another set with OEM rubber bushings for my AMG GLC 63s.
I'm looking forward to having them installed and starting another project knowing I can get a proper alignment..
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What was the install cost or did you do them yourself? I also ordered a set of the rear upper camber arms. Unfortunately they only come in urethane so hopefully they don’t squeak. Do any of you guys have any experience with the rear upper camber arms? [


QUOTE=ronin amg;8140757]I just received another set with OEM rubber bushings for my AMG GLC 63s.
I'm looking forward to having them installed and starting another project knowing I can get a proper alignment..[/QUOTE]
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IIRC, my install was about $500 + $200 for a 4 wheel alignment. You must do the alignment after the install and you have set your new base height. I did the front only and my tire wear problem is gone. Thx Ronin
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off topic, but Ronin, is this you with the current high $420,420 bid?:
https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/1...%20blast%20car
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New high bidder (not me).

I saw one of these a couple of days ago in Rancho Sante Fe parked outside a restaurant. Was there when it fired up and drove away a while later - very nice!

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