Mr.Benzoo

HI guys its time for me to change my c220 w205 to something more fun. I have been a die hard Mercedes fan but recently some issues have made me rethink my choices. For example, interior quality in my W205 is horrible squeaked when you press the center console and around the whole cabin in general. I feel like a
VW
golf has a higher “Quality” interior. It's not as pretty but it feels solid to the touch. Recently I went by a Mercedes dealership, and they didn't have a E63S, but they had a E400 and to me it didn't feel like the quality that a 120.000 € car should have. it still squeaked when pressed moderately hard. After that I went to a BMW dealership and I was really impressed, at first glance the interior is not as flashy but the quality and the minor details that are put in place just make the car feel well though out and premium. So my question is for you fine gentlemen with E63S how dose your interior quality feel, I know it looks premium but dose it
feel
premium? And also since I will be driving this car in Bulgaria and most of the roads here are horrible, how hard is the suspension if anyone could compare it to a W205 with the AMG Sport package and Shocks.

s26singh

I have had the pleasure of owning 2 BMWs - both M cars, and both of their interiors rattled and squeaked. BMW's interior quality is not better than Mercedes; at best, maybe the same. If interior quality has top priority on your list, I would recommend checking out Porsche.

2020

The Mercedes has a much better and more luxurious interior. The BMW, however, would be a better choice on your roads.

2012 merc amg

With those horrible roads might be better off getting a SUV. As far as interiors, I like the Benz interior much better, Audi also makes darn nice interiors.

stealth.pilot

I do think BMW uses better materials (except wood trim) than Mercedes. The Mercedes interior looks more premium because it has a much nicer design. Also the air vents are a lot more premium than the plastic rectangular ones BMW uses. However with the exception of the air vents and the matte wood trim, the BMW interior is more premium. Better materials throughout, and a much more solid feel.

Another aspect is full leather. The M5 is offered in full leather. Mercedes doesn't know what that is.

tonecas

not to mention dual color seats. i don't understand how on a premium car like this there is no full leather and no dual color combos for the seats.

Vic55

I have to agree here as well. The E may appear to have the nicer interior but the F90 M and even the F10 M5 had more supple amenities as a whole. Further, the functionality of the I drive and tech is much better than the Comand operations.

To address the OP's question about road feel in relation to horrible roads; you will not enjoy the E63S in these circumstances. I have been a supporter of the more taut and less forgiving E63S suspension but with the caveat of having relatively well paved roads where I reside. The M will suck up the unevens much much better with the way its dampers and springs operate in unison.

Edit: noticed you asked about a W205 which I had too (C63S) and that car was arguably more stiff than the E63S because of the spring/damper set up vs the Air Body Control system in the E. The M5 will be even better for you.

stealth.pilot

Agree with Vic above. The ride quality on the Benz is harsh. It's worse than my Porsche 911. The E63's handling is amazingly good but it comes at a cost.

That said in Europe you may be able to order the car with 19" wheels which may help. We are only offered 20s in the US.

s26singh

991 911 rides great though, better than most general cars , like, for example, my 2015 Corolla.

tonecas

really?? in what mode? Turbo S in comfort is better than E63S in comfort mode?

Vic55

There is no comfort mode in the Turbo S per se- its either normal or Sport mode for suspension and even in sport mode its much better than the E63S in comfort. As I have swapped modes in the E63S, I have found there is not much variation.

tonecas

yeah, i was referring to Turbo S normal mode vs E63S comfort. Turbo S afaik has normal, sport, sport+ and individual. E63S has comfort, sport, sport+, race, individual and drift.

i don't know why AMG needed to stiff up so much the car. comparing to M5 it seems the profile on the tires is 40/35 aggainst 35/30 in the E63S. so a lot of tunning in the suspension and tires for getting the handling to this point :/

Vic55

The Dial (which you are referring to) is for drive functions but not damper adjustments except in Sport Plus (which automatically sets your suspension to Sport) or if you have your Individual mode and choose to use the Sport mode. I have them on my 991.2 GTS as well.. these are engine adjustments including throttle mapping and boosting. The suspension button is in the center column and separate of the dial functions (except individual or Sports Plus) where you can set your suspension choices. There are only 2 choices in the Turbo S for suspension: Sport or regular.

For the E63S there are 3 modes of dampening: Comfort, Sport, and Sport Plus. The modes you mentioned are not just for suspension but cover other parts of the driving dynamics like engine response, steering, exhaust.

I think we are on the same page but just wanted to clarify that with Porsche there are only 2 settings that we can manipulate from a dampening level.

2012 merc amg

I really don't think the ride is that bad anymore, maybe it just takes a while to loosen up or something, I'm up to 11,500 miles on mine and just put new tires on it and it seems to ride even better now. I run 34 psi in the rear and 40 in the fronts. I run the Michelin SS plus 4 tires, not cheap at 360 a pop, but worth it, the car handles so good.

tonecas

Pilot Super Sport or Pilot Sport 4 S ?

2012 merc amg

Yes, that's what meant the 4S tires, same ones I had on the car from the factory, maybe the newer ones are a little softer or something because my ride back from the dealer just a while ago was even smoother than the car was before.

absent

Like Vic already mentioned, all depends on the quality of the roads where you live.
Venice Florida, with no 100F swings and total disregard of maintenance by Chicago/Illinois decision makers, has roads that allow you to appreciate the stiff E63 much better then the poor shlobs (like myself) stuck in this place.

2012 merc amg

MikePaniR

Agreed on the quality of the materials. On my F10 M5, the extended leather option was awesome, much more generous use of leather throughout as compared to my E63S, which I'm still quite surprised by. I've never experienced a rattle in any M car I've owned, although I have experienced this with Porsche.