Looking into an E63 AMG Wagon - should I stay away?
11-08-2018, 07:06 AM
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2018 Jeep SRT
Looking into an E63 AMG Wagon - should I stay away?
Currently own a '18 Jeep SRT and looking for something more fun. I've always loved the E63, but a quick read here indicates the W213s have some problems that haven't been fixed (CELs and such).
Anyone else holding off until the problems are fixed?
Anyone else holding off until the problems are fixed?
11-08-2018, 07:21 AM
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First year models always have some issues that are usually ironed out on the second year. I remember when I was buying my F10 M5, the first year model's engine had a weird habit of blowing up LOL. Kinda annoying.
Also - as others have stated already, its always the vocal minority that have (legit) issues that post on the forums. Rarely if ever do the 99.1% of the users without any issues post thread stating "Hey, I didnt gave any issues today!" ;-) Ultimately - you should do what you think is best. Im just not going to hold these rare issues (and I do believe they are rare) as indicative of a larger issue with the entire model.
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11-08-2018, 09:50 AM
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Best car ever...
KING OF CARS
Buy mine, built at the port now here in the US...LOADED.. ready for sale (when released in Dec), will discount
VIN: WDDZH8KB5KA504057
Code Description Price
MODEL: 2019 E63S4S $108850 ($143695 w/options)
799 designo Diamond White Metallic $1,515
554 AMG Nut Brown/ Black Nappa Leather
Options
PAF PAF Acoustic Comfort Package: Increased Cabin Insulation, Windshield $1,100
PAF Acoustic Comfort Package
596 Infrared glass
313 313 Sun Protection Package: Manual Rear-Side Window Sunshades $380
P09 Sun Protection Package Code
313 Manual Rear-Side Window Sunshades
319 319 Exterior Lighting Package: LED Intelligent Light System, Adaptiv $800
P35 Lighting Package code
608 Adaptive Highbeam Assist
640 LED Intelligent Light System
445 445 Warmth and Comfort Package: Heated Armrests, Heated Steering $1,050
P68 Warmth &Comfort Package
443 Heated Steering Wheel
902 Rapid Heating Front Seats
906 Heated Front Armrest
521 521 AMG Night Package: High-Gloss Black Elements: Front Splitter, $750
P60 AMG Night Package Code
U50 Omission heat-insulating dark-tinted glass
720 Roof Rail
773 773 AMG Exterior Carbon Fiber Package: Carbon Fiber Elements: Front $2,950
773 AMG Exterior Carbon Package
997 997 Driver Assistance Package: Active Distance Assist DISTRONIC®, $2,250
K34 Route Based Speed Action
P20 Driving Assistance Package Plus
233 DISTRONIC PLUS (with PRE-SAFE Brake)
266 DISTRONIC PLUS with Steering Assist
292 PRE-SAFE Impulse Side
513 Speed Limit Assist
546 Speed Limit Pilot
B07 AMG High-Performance Ceramic Composite Braking System $8,950
B28 AMG Carbon Fiber Exterior Mirror Covers $1,200
H73 AMG Carbon Fiber $2,850
L6K AMG Nappa/DINAMICA Performance Steering Wheel
P21 Air Balance Cabin Air Fragrance & Filtration System $350
RTS 20" AMG Black Cross-Spoke Forged Wheels $1,700
SPC Special Order $250
U78 AMG Performance Exhaust System $1,250
U80 115V AC Power Outlet $115
293 Rear Seat Side Air Bags (SPC) $420
432 Active Multicontour Front Seats w/ Massage Feature $1,320
463 Head-Up Display $990
581 3-Zone Climate Control $760
61U designo Black DINAMICA Headliner $1,600
866 Pre-Wiring for Rear Seat Entertainment and Comfort Adapter $170
872 Heated Rear Seats $580
883 Soft-Close Doors $550
TOTAL $143695
KING OF CARS
Buy mine, built at the port now here in the US...LOADED.. ready for sale (when released in Dec), will discount
VIN: WDDZH8KB5KA504057
Code Description Price
MODEL: 2019 E63S4S $108850 ($143695 w/options)
799 designo Diamond White Metallic $1,515
554 AMG Nut Brown/ Black Nappa Leather
Options
PAF PAF Acoustic Comfort Package: Increased Cabin Insulation, Windshield $1,100
PAF Acoustic Comfort Package
596 Infrared glass
313 313 Sun Protection Package: Manual Rear-Side Window Sunshades $380
P09 Sun Protection Package Code
313 Manual Rear-Side Window Sunshades
319 319 Exterior Lighting Package: LED Intelligent Light System, Adaptiv $800
P35 Lighting Package code
608 Adaptive Highbeam Assist
640 LED Intelligent Light System
445 445 Warmth and Comfort Package: Heated Armrests, Heated Steering $1,050
P68 Warmth &Comfort Package
443 Heated Steering Wheel
902 Rapid Heating Front Seats
906 Heated Front Armrest
521 521 AMG Night Package: High-Gloss Black Elements: Front Splitter, $750
P60 AMG Night Package Code
U50 Omission heat-insulating dark-tinted glass
720 Roof Rail
773 773 AMG Exterior Carbon Fiber Package: Carbon Fiber Elements: Front $2,950
773 AMG Exterior Carbon Package
997 997 Driver Assistance Package: Active Distance Assist DISTRONIC®, $2,250
K34 Route Based Speed Action
P20 Driving Assistance Package Plus
233 DISTRONIC PLUS (with PRE-SAFE Brake)
266 DISTRONIC PLUS with Steering Assist
292 PRE-SAFE Impulse Side
513 Speed Limit Assist
546 Speed Limit Pilot
B07 AMG High-Performance Ceramic Composite Braking System $8,950
B28 AMG Carbon Fiber Exterior Mirror Covers $1,200
H73 AMG Carbon Fiber $2,850
L6K AMG Nappa/DINAMICA Performance Steering Wheel
P21 Air Balance Cabin Air Fragrance & Filtration System $350
RTS 20" AMG Black Cross-Spoke Forged Wheels $1,700
SPC Special Order $250
U78 AMG Performance Exhaust System $1,250
U80 115V AC Power Outlet $115
293 Rear Seat Side Air Bags (SPC) $420
432 Active Multicontour Front Seats w/ Massage Feature $1,320
463 Head-Up Display $990
581 3-Zone Climate Control $760
61U designo Black DINAMICA Headliner $1,600
866 Pre-Wiring for Rear Seat Entertainment and Comfort Adapter $170
872 Heated Rear Seats $580
883 Soft-Close Doors $550
TOTAL $143695
11-08-2018, 10:50 AM
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My 2018 Amg wagon
It’s had a bunch of rattles that dealer took care of and a CEL.
I suspect that the CEL was caused by the new engine being so tight that it was confusing the computer sensors.
I now have 8K miles on it and it running fantastic.
I suspect that the CEL was caused by the new engine being so tight that it was confusing the computer sensors.
I now have 8K miles on it and it running fantastic.
11-08-2018, 10:59 AM
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I'm holding off; I don't wanna be one of the guys on the CEL thread ... I'm sure a fix is coming soon
11-08-2018, 11:43 AM
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2018 E63 S (white wagon), 2016 Viper ACR Extreme, 2005 Porsche GT3 Cup race car,2020 GLE
Amazing car buy it and love it as much as I love mine- eats the SRT in all ways and that's coming from a Viper/Dodge guy
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11-08-2018, 12:14 PM
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11-08-2018, 12:50 PM
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Rattles
I had a annoying wiring harness rattling behind the sunglasses holder, by my head.
The dealer took it apart and I think, put a piece of foam tape around it. Problem solved.
Second, the door gaskets creaked. Dealer was able to make better.
Great car!
The dealer took it apart and I think, put a piece of foam tape around it. Problem solved.
Second, the door gaskets creaked. Dealer was able to make better.
Great car!
11-08-2018, 02:53 PM
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I've got an April '18 built wagon with 6k miles on it since May and the only issue has been a faulty rear hatch button that had to be replaced. Anecdotally, it seems early builds were where most of the problems happened, I haven't heard many people that had cars built in the second half of the model year, after new years, having many issues. And remember, people don't take the time to write "everything on my car is perfect and I'm having no issues" threads, so the feeling that problems are rampant is magnified with the echo chamber here. I'd say go for it if you can find a late build '18 or want to pick up a '19 whenever they are released.
11-08-2018, 03:13 PM
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I've got an April '18 built wagon with 6k miles on it since May and the only issue has been a faulty rear hatch button that had to be replaced. Anecdotally, it seems early builds were where most of the problems happened, I haven't heard many people that had cars built in the second half of the model year, after new years, having many issues. And remember, people don't take the time to write "everything on my car is perfect and I'm having no issues" threads, so the feeling that problems are rampant is magnified with the echo chamber here. I'd say go for it if you can find a late build '18 or want to pick up a '19 whenever they are released.
11-08-2018, 04:03 PM
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It might just be me but I don’t think half of the people with W213s on here have had dibilitating CELs. And I didn’t say 100% of early builds, just that there’s a predisposition if you have an early build.
11-08-2018, 05:23 PM
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I love mine, it is effortlessly fast and handles great. I was worried about the ride with 20 inch tires but have found it to be much better than my E61 BMW.
Every time I drive it I smile. CEL was an issue for me but it has not been an issue for over 3,000 miles. Build quality seems very good.
Every time I drive it I smile. CEL was an issue for me but it has not been an issue for over 3,000 miles. Build quality seems very good.
11-08-2018, 05:29 PM
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Let me clarify it's a hit or miss situation with our builds. There are also the community of people that buy E63s and aren't active on the forums that have these problems
11-08-2018, 06:43 PM
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What problems ? Sure there was the rear sway bar rattle and it was fixed it 5 min.
I love my wagon and have no regrets trading in my 991 Turbo S for it..
I love my wagon and have no regrets trading in my 991 Turbo S for it..
11-08-2018, 09:01 PM
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Hello AndeyE63, I have one of three E63S Edition 1 wagons and, to date, no issues whatsoever. Now it only has 17xx miles on it but it is truly an amazing machine. To think that it weighs 4669 lbs and can crack off a 0-60 time of 3.4 seconds (though the mags have gotten 3.0 sec.) is pretty amazing. The car drives smaller and lighter than it is in my opinion. More than the speed is the build and the overall amenities included even before options are added. I would suggest getting the carbon ceramic brakes as they are really good and, I believe, save somewhere around 40 lbs in unsprung weight. I previously had a 2013 C63 AMG with the P31 package, limited slip diff., carbon fiber interior, porcelano napa leather and, though it was fast it just couldn't put its true potential to the ground due to only rear wheel drive. The new E63S really something and can be totally docile in traffic and a true monster when one wants it to be. Plus, It's a WAGON and can when called upon, kick some serious azz on a lot of very hi po cars.
11-08-2018, 11:17 PM
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Yes it's an amazing car, but the CEL issue is problematic.
Many people, probably most, don't have any problem and don't come saying that all is fine, but also some people will have this problem and will not come to foruns. Life happens outside of the internet also.
The issue is, this is a very limited selling car. Another even more limited selling car, the S63 that has the same engine, has random CEL also. So, in reality things can be quiet worst than what we might think, because if there are sold 100 of these cars on a given year and 10 people experience a CEL then we are already talking of about 10%. Can be more, can be less, but the number of people that have already reported this does not bode really well for the engine, and worst of seeing Mb /amg unable fix the issue.
I believe, or want to believe, that it's one of those pesky bugs, probably related to software issues combined with some not up to the task piece of hardware that will be soon solved by Mb /amg.
But it's a wishful thinking because we are already on 2 full years since the release of the model. How much time does a premium brand needs to solve a problem?
Many people, probably most, don't have any problem and don't come saying that all is fine, but also some people will have this problem and will not come to foruns. Life happens outside of the internet also.
The issue is, this is a very limited selling car. Another even more limited selling car, the S63 that has the same engine, has random CEL also. So, in reality things can be quiet worst than what we might think, because if there are sold 100 of these cars on a given year and 10 people experience a CEL then we are already talking of about 10%. Can be more, can be less, but the number of people that have already reported this does not bode really well for the engine, and worst of seeing Mb /amg unable fix the issue.
I believe, or want to believe, that it's one of those pesky bugs, probably related to software issues combined with some not up to the task piece of hardware that will be soon solved by Mb /amg.
But it's a wishful thinking because we are already on 2 full years since the release of the model. How much time does a premium brand needs to solve a problem?
11-09-2018, 06:25 AM
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Yes it's an amazing car, but the CEL issue is problematic.
Many people, probably most, don't have any problem and don't come saying that all is fine, but also some people will have this problem and will not come to foruns. Life happens outside of the internet also.
The issue is, this is a very limited selling car. Another even more limited selling car, the S63 that has the same engine, has random CEL also. So, in reality things can be quiet worst than what we might think, because if there are sold 100 of these cars on a given year and 10 people experience a CEL then we are already talking of about 10%. Can be more, can be less, but the number of people that have already reported this does not bode really well for the engine, and worst of seeing Mb /amg unable fix the issue.
I believe, or want to believe, that it's one of those pesky bugs, probably related to software issues combined with some not up to the task piece of hardware that will be soon solved by Mb /amg.
But it's a wishful thinking because we are already on 2 full years since the release of the model. How much time does a premium brand needs to solve a problem?
Many people, probably most, don't have any problem and don't come saying that all is fine, but also some people will have this problem and will not come to foruns. Life happens outside of the internet also.
The issue is, this is a very limited selling car. Another even more limited selling car, the S63 that has the same engine, has random CEL also. So, in reality things can be quiet worst than what we might think, because if there are sold 100 of these cars on a given year and 10 people experience a CEL then we are already talking of about 10%. Can be more, can be less, but the number of people that have already reported this does not bode really well for the engine, and worst of seeing Mb /amg unable fix the issue.
I believe, or want to believe, that it's one of those pesky bugs, probably related to software issues combined with some not up to the task piece of hardware that will be soon solved by Mb /amg.
But it's a wishful thinking because we are already on 2 full years since the release of the model. How much time does a premium brand needs to solve a problem?
11-09-2018, 06:44 AM
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We had an issue with one of our three ed1 E63s sedans.. Both of the e63 wagons we sold were fine as were the nine other e63 sedans.. We've had no issues and sorry for people that has had... The 19s I would assume will be good ...
11-09-2018, 09:46 AM
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11-09-2018, 09:56 AM
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As a dealer have you reached out to MB for more transparency and resolution?
11-09-2018, 10:33 AM
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if there is no fix, then how would the 19s be good?
11-09-2018, 11:11 AM
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Based on your sample size, that would mean ~7% had a CEL, while ~93% have had no CEL. Given the tremendous praise this car has received from amateur drivers to professional critics, I would risk getting into this car knowing there will be a 7% chance of a CEL issue, but that is just me.
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11-09-2018, 01:59 PM
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Based on your sample size, that would mean ~7% had a CEL, while ~93% have had no CEL. Given the tremendous praise this car has received from amateur drivers to professional critics, I would risk getting into this car knowing there will be a 7% chance of a CEL issue, but that is just me.
