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Old 12-22-2018, 01:52 PM
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The results seem pretty reliable but I do question the method of locking both cars in 3rd gear instead of putting both cars in their “proper” gear in the rolling race. It seemed pretty obvious the 8spd wasn’t in the power band like the 9spd.
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I was expecting the m5C going to win it in a much bigger margin on the drag race.

I guess mb need to do some power tweaking for its facelift version then
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The results seem pretty reliable but I do question the method of locking both cars in 3rd gear instead of putting both cars in their “proper” gear in the rolling race. It seemed pretty obvious the 8spd wasn’t in the power band like the 9spd.
which means the E63 S would have lost by a mildly even large margin on the rolling race?
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which means the E63 S would have lost by a mildly even large margin on the rolling race?
All I can say is that the M5 wouldn’t have lagged like it did if it was in an optimal rpm/gear.
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
The results seem pretty reliable but I do question the method of locking both cars in 3rd gear instead of putting both cars in their “proper” gear in the rolling race. It seemed pretty obvious the 8spd wasn’t in the power band like the 9spd.
You are right, the E63S has more tq in that starting gear so the roller isnt ideal but then truly the only ideal comparison is the same car against each other I guess. Drivers race for sure and whoever gets the jump in the real world.

There are guys running silly 10.3X's at 136.XX (race gas, piggy, intake only) now on the F90- a very nice moddable platform.
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...There are guys running silly 10.3X's at 136.XX (race gas, piggy, intake only) now on the F90- a very nice moddable platform.
Thats insane! I guess that’s what happens when a car is actually tunable and has a hardy transmission.
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One thing to mention regarding the braking test .. unless we can guarantee identical temperature of the rotors, such comparison is inaccurate.
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One thing to mention regarding the braking test .. unless we can guarantee identical temperature of the rotors, such comparison is inaccurate.
That’s very true but the E has lost just about every single braking comparo to date so there’s not much reason to doubt this one.
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
That’s very true but the E has lost just about every single braking comparo to date so there’s not much reason to doubt this one.
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You are right, the E63S has more tq in that starting gear so the roller isnt ideal but then truly the only ideal comparison is the same car against each other I guess. Drivers race for sure and whoever gets the jump in the real world.

There are guys running silly 10.3X's at 136.XX (race gas, piggy, intake only) now on the F90- a very nice moddable platform.
What does race gas + intake + piggy get you on an E63S?
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What does race gas + intake + piggy get you on an E63S?
Hard to say since there is no piggy (reputable) that I know of for the E63S but if Im a betting man, its not going to be close.

Modded Turbo E63S's with tunes (true bench flashes) and down pipes arent pulling these times.
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Hard to say since there is no piggy (reputable) that I know of for the E63S but if Im a betting man, its not going to be close.

Modded Turbo E63S's with tunes (true bench flashes) and down pipes arent pulling these times.
I was under the impression that JB4 was available for the C63S engine so it should also be available for the E63S?
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I was under the impression that JB4 was available for the C63S engine so it should also be available for the E63S?
dont know, never looked it to it with my E63S--- it maybe the same engine but the turbos are different (single vs twin scrolls).
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dont know, never looked it to it with my E63S--- it maybe the same engine but the turbos are different (single vs twin scrolls).
If you still had your E63S and were going to tune/mod, what would you do? I ask because I know you are known for having quite good taste.
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If you still had your E63S and were going to tune/mod, what would you do? I ask because I know you are known for having quite good taste.
I did tune my E63S in November of 17 with OE tuning; he has been my Benz tuner since 2003. It was a beta tune but it wasnt half bad. Did I get the gains I got on my M157 cars? Hell NO. But then again, OE is more on the conservative side and allows for good daily use of hp/tq gains thru the usable rpm ranges.

Im loyal to him because of so many tunes but Eurocharged is great and several others.
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I did tune my E63S in November of 17 with OE tuning; he has been my Benz tuner since 2003. It was a beta tune but it wasnt half bad. Did I get the gains I got on my M157 cars? Hell NO. But then again, OE is more on the conservative side and allows for good daily use of hp/tq gains thru the usable rpm ranges.

Im loyal to him because of so many tunes but Eurocharged is great and several others.
Did you consider changing the intake/downpipes?

Would you be able to comment on how OE Tuning's offering (http://www.oetuning.com/products/mer...benz-e63s-w213 I believe, right?) compares to DME Tuning's offering? https://dmetuning.com/products/mercedes-e63s-2018
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Originally Posted by MuffinFlavored
Did you consider changing the intake/downpipes?

Would you be able to comment on how OE Tuning's offering (http://www.oetuning.com/products/mer...benz-e63s-w213 I believe, right?) compares to DME Tuning's offering? https://dmetuning.com/products/mercedes-e63s-2018
Never considered dp's as its a long undertaking where you have to disconnect the tranny I hear--- as for OE's offer, only you can judge that but its not extremely pricey. I dont know about DME so no comment but they do have a good rep in the F90 world for sure.
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MuffinFlavored-DME has tuned an E63S and made 656 whp/712 wtq on 93 pump gas. Should check them out if they are close to you for sure. If they are not i would consider EC as they made 647whp/734wtq on pump gas as well. Either way cant go wrong.
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MuffinFlavored-DME has tuned an E63S and made 656 whp/712 wtq on 93 pump gas. Should check them out if they are close to you for sure. If they are not i would consider EC as they made 647whp/734wtq on pump gas as well. Either way cant go wrong.
DME wanted $2,700 but OE wanted $1,300

I can't really see the value in double the price, can you?
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A good friend of mine went all out with his E63 amg S, his merc is pushing over 800+ HP. Not even done yet which is insane. There is alot you can do now as far as tuning and getting parts for it now.
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A good friend of mine went all out with his E63 amg S, his merc is pushing over 800+ HP. Not even done yet which is insane. There is alot you can do now as far as tuning and getting parts for it now.
What did he do to it?
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What did he do to it?
To get it over 800hp (at the crank), he did turbo upgrade most likely.
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New custom exhaust manifolds, new turbos, pretty much went full stage 4.
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New custom exhaust manifolds, new turbos, pretty much went full stage 4.
any time slips?

tunes and parts have been out for a while---- the platform just isnt delivering the numbers to match the mods.


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