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Old 12-27-2018, 10:17 PM
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Hi guys,

I come from Canada Quebec.

When I put gas to my car, I always use 91 which is the maximum in Quebec. I mostly try to go to Shell to buy V Power which in my opinion is the best gas. 91 octane in Quebec has no ethanol.

Anyways, here in Florida, I am putting 93 Octane but every gas station mention that it has 10% ethanol. Why????
Is there a gas station that has no ethanol?
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Hi guys,

I come from Canada Quebec.

When I put gas to my car, I always use 91 which is the maximum in Quebec. I mostly try to go to Shell to buy V Power which in my opinion is the best gas. 91 octane in Quebec has no ethanol.

Anyways, here in Florida, I am putting 93 Octane but every gas station mention that it has 10% ethanol. Why????
Is there a gas station that has no ethanol?
E10 is pretty much standard. All engines sold in US and Canada can use it. The why is politics. Under the banner of national security, it was mandated for "energy independence." Translation: Iowa corn speaks volumes when the Iowa caucus kicks off the presidential nomination process.
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All you'll get is E10 across the US with 93 octane being mostly available all over except the West Coast. You can search for a non ethanol gas, just came across this site https://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=FL Can't vouch for the accuracy. All I put in my wagon is 93 E10 in NY, car can handle it & no issues so I really wouldn't go on a hunt for non ethanol gas IMO.
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Benefits of Ethanol: The Environment, the Economy, and Oil Dependence. Overall, ethanol is considered to be better for the environment than gasoline, and ethanol-fueled vehicles produce lower carbon dioxide emissions and the same or lower levels of hydrocarbon and oxides of nitrogen emissions.
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Some of our local WaWa stations here in Virginia sell ethanol-free gasoline. It is priced higher than Diesel. Outrageous to pay more for a fuel with less additive in it.
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we have non-ethanol gas stations here in WA too, but the price is $1.5 over than gas with up to 10% ethanol... Can't see any reason to use it.
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Benefits of Ethanol: The Environment, the Economy, and Oil Dependence. Overall, ethanol is considered to be better for the environment than gasoline, and ethanol-fueled vehicles produce lower carbon dioxide emissions and the same or lower levels of hydrocarbon and oxides of nitrogen emissions.
That's the theory. But the environmental benefits are very iffy after you factor in the eco-costs of growing the corn and fermenting it. Most independent assessments (not funded by the corn producers) show a negative benefit.
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you can find ethanol free but costs more due to not having subsidy.

I use ethanol free in my lawnmower and other small engines (2 and 4 stroke) to make them last longer as they were not designed for ethanol in fuel.
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All you'll get is E10 across the US with 93 octane being mostly available all over except the West Coast. You can search for a non ethanol gas, just came across this site https://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=FL Can't vouch for the accuracy. All I put in my wagon is 93 E10 in NY, car can handle it & no issues so I really wouldn't go on a hunt for non ethanol gas IMO.
Thanks for the website, I will start looking

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Benefits of Ethanol: The Environment, the Economy, and Oil Dependence. Overall, ethanol is considered to be better for the environment than gasoline, and ethanol-fueled vehicles produce lower carbon dioxide emissions and the same or lower levels of hydrocarbon and oxides of nitrogen emissions.
I understand the environment but did you know that Ethanol leaves residues in your engine.
I am pretty sure that the 91 gas I put in Canada is Ethanol free. I looked it up. Specially the V-Power from Shell in Canada is Ethanol free Plus it has detergents to clean up the engine. It is almost the same gas used in the F1,
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Related and additional Qs... I see the requirements for 91 Octane gas. If i can get 91 and higher options here in Germany, should I be consiconsistent at 91 or get higher when I can? I don't want to be cheap but also don't want to waste $ or AKI. Also is there any concern running 93 or higher here and then having to go back to 91 anyway depending on where I bring the car back to in the U.S.?
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Related and additional Qs... I see the requirements for 91 Octane gas. If i can get 91 and higher options here in Germany, should I be consiconsistent at 91 or get higher when I can? I don't want to be cheap but also don't want to waste $ or AKI. Also is there any concern running 93 or higher here and then having to go back to 91 anyway depending on where I bring the car back to in the U.S.?
Here in Nort America (especially Canada and the US), we are using different octane rating/octane number than in the EU and elsewhere in the world, if we are talking about 91-93 octane here that means 98-101 in Eastern Hemisphere who is using RON octane rating.
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you can find ethanol free but costs more due to not having subsidy.

I use ethanol free in my lawnmower and other small engines (2 and 4 stroke) to make them last longer as they were not designed for ethanol in fuel.
ethanol does tend to gum up the engine overtime. I use Shell Vpower 91 for my snowblower and lawnmower.
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Thanks Mandarin, Right we use RON here in Germany but it still has a AKI or octane equivalent that I already converted to U.S. as I posed the Q. We can get 4 different RONs and the highest two are RON 95 and 98. (95 RON = the 91 Octane or AKI that my US spec E63 needs or requires). The question I would like input on is whether most of you would buy the 98 RON (94 AKI or Octane because you can)? I don't mind doing so, but also wonder is it worse to make the car go back to lower later if we go back to a place such as CA... I also realize the computers make up for these differences in octane best they can, but this is my first experience with a MB - let alone an AMG... Just want to follow the experts on this forum. Thanks all!
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I’ve had multiple Euro deliveries and drove more than 10k miles in Europe with highest octane available. Cars were properly trained on the autobahn and none of them had any issues running lower octane in CA.
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Thanks Mandarin, Right we use RON here in Germany but it still has a AKI or octane equivalent that I already converted to U.S. as I posed the Q. We can get 4 different RONs and the highest two are RON 95 and 98. (95 RON = the 91 Octane or AKI that my US spec E63 needs or requires). The question I would like input on is whether most of you would buy the 98 RON (94 AKI or Octane because you can)? I don't mind doing so, but also wonder is it worse to make the car go back to lower later if we go back to a place such as CA... I also realize the computers make up for these differences in octane best they can, but this is my first experience with a MB - let alone an AMG... Just want to follow the experts on this forum. Thanks all!
If you are using let's say 94 Octane and then you go back to 91 it won't damage the engine. Both are high Octane gasoline.
As long as you don't use lower than 91, you should be fine. Very important to find gas without Ethanol tho because that's the big issue.
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ethanol does tend to gum up the engine overtime. I use Shell Vpower 91 for my snowblower and lawnmower.
I agree ethanol is an issue with small engines and in a boat with vented gas tanks. I also think it is largely a result of politics to help farmers and should be phased out.

That said MB is made to handle it and not a big deal.
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Originally Posted by 2 '02 S600
All you'll get is E10 across the US with 93 octane being mostly available all over except the West Coast. You can search for a non ethanol gas, just came across this site https://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=FL Can't vouch for the accuracy. All I put in my wagon is 93 E10 in NY, car can handle it & no issues so I really wouldn't go on a hunt for non ethanol gas IMO.
Why doesn't California get 93? Is it worse for the environment and they just won't allow it?
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I've been using e98 in my carbureted snowblower for 2yrs. Same container, I bought the fuel in 2017. Works fine. Main differences:
1) no exhaust fumes.
2) Machine has to be kept indoors because it won't start if it's left outside in -20 weather.
3) I have to pull the choke lever a little bit so that it runs right.

It's possible that an older machine might have had problems when switch to ethanol if impurities have already built up. Mine was only one or two years old when I started using ethanol

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