2019 E53 disgrace — 130mph top speed electronically limited in US
02-10-2019, 10:05 AM
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Just because someone else wouldn’t drive at 155mph doesnt mean I wouldn’t. And since local law enforcement is available to ensure I comply with laws, private folks don’t need to enforce the law here on MBworld.com.
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02-10-2019, 10:33 AM
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As stated previously, upon European delivery I perform a two-day marathon of easy, break-in driving through the mileage specification and complemented by a visit to a service center in Germany. All my cars are broken in correctly.
Just because someone else wouldn’t drive at 155mph doesnt mean I wouldn’t. And since local law enforcement is available to ensure I comply with laws, private folks don’t need to enforce the law here on MBworld.com.
02-10-2019, 10:51 AM
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I would be nice to drive my new car that fast with European delivery, the rest of it is just strange. First you say tracks and private roads, but they don't seem to exist then you allude to local law enforcement and public roads. Guess getting stopped for 130 or 150 is the same thing so it doesn't matter.
02-10-2019, 10:54 AM
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The only motive I had originally (and now) was to have some fun with exploring the question and brainstorming as to possible answers- not to promote a forum for ridicule of any kind. I also hoped that if enough people agreed, this conversation might be moved up the food chain to get Mercedes to issue a service campaign that might flash the computer to raise the limit. Customer feedback has been known to cause results like that.
The original poster simply is trying to spearhead peripheral and extraneous material which has nothing to do with the question of why Mercedes doesn’t have a 155mph limit on AMG53 cars when Audi and BMW have 155mph limits on S6 and M550i and when Mercedes themselves always had 155 (or higher) limits on AMG cars.
There are separate threads entitled similarly to “Do you believe the new 43 and 53 models are “real” AMG cars?” and “Do you agree with Autobahn no-speed limit zones?” and “Do you resent drivers in the US who exceed posted speed limits?” All those are interesting conversations, but a coherent and worthwhile thread couldn’t possibly include all those topics.
Personal preferences on high speeds in general or 130mph versus 155mph, or law enforcement, are irrelevant to the question, as are denigrations of the E53 model compared with 63 variants; but people who insist on providing those have caused the thread to run off course. Luckily the moderator stepped in and made his statement, which hopefully will continue to have effect.
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02-10-2019, 11:06 AM
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The E53 is a new model that has more power than the 43, which it replaces and less than a 63. I see this as an improvement not a denigration.
The governed speed is meaningless to most people since they we never see that speed. If you are one of the exception get it tuned and get a good lawyer.
The governed speed is meaningless to most people since they we never see that speed. If you are one of the exception get it tuned and get a good lawyer.
02-10-2019, 11:12 AM
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The E53 is a new model that has more power than the 43, which it replaces and less than a 63. I see this as an improvement not a denigration.
The governed speed is meaningless to most people since they we never see that speed. If you are one of the exception get it tuned and get a good lawyer.
The governed speed is meaningless to most people since they we never see that speed. If you are one of the exception get it tuned and get a good lawyer.
the absence of a matter that would present a requirement for legal services.
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02-10-2019, 12:10 PM
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It’s not a ****** comment. I didn’t introduce negativity there. I stated a fact. I stated that local law enforcement is available to enforce the laws. That’s a fact. You’re being negative now. Please relax.
The only motive I had originally (and now) was to have some fun with exploring the question and brainstorming as to possible answers- not to promote a forum for ridicule of any kind. I also hoped that if enough people agreed, this conversation might be moved up the food chain to get Mercedes to issue a service campaign that might flash the computer to raise the limit. Customer feedback has been known to cause results like that.
The original poster simply is trying to spearhead peripheral and extraneous material which has nothing to do with the question of why Mercedes doesn’t have a 155mph limit on AMG53 cars when Audi and BMW have 155mph limits on S6 and M550i and when Mercedes themselves always had 155 (or higher) limits on AMG cars.
There are separate threads entitled similarly to “Do you believe the new 43 and 53 models are “real” AMG cars?” and “Do you agree with Autobahn no-speed limit zones?” and “Do you resent drivers in the US who exceed posted speed limits?” All those are interesting conversations, but a coherent and worthwhile thread couldn’t possibly include all those topics.
Personal preferences on high speeds in general or 130mph versus 155mph, or law enforcement, are irrelevant to the question, as are denigrations of the E53 model compared with 63 variants; but people who insist on providing those have caused the thread to run off course. Luckily the moderator stepped in and made his statement, which hopefully will continue to have effect.
I don’t dislike you (I don’t know you) but from post 1 until now it seems like you are missing some common sense. I find it hard to believe you don’t get any speeding tickets. Hell, I try hard to follow all speed limit laws even in Germany. And I just paid my approximate $75 ticket on the German Autobahn from my European Delivery trip of my ‘19 S63 going from an unlimited section of the Autobahn to 130 KMH limited section. With your mindset I almost guarantee you will receive a speeding ticket in Stuttgart since they have cameras that take your picture everywhere.
I simply caution you if you do go on a Euro Delivery trip that you don’t get a ticket in Germany.
02-10-2019, 12:13 PM
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If it was to play by the rules, obeying to the law and placing safety issues above else - including personal liberty and liability to do whatever one wants - then every street legal car should be limited to 130 or 140 kmh, because most countries across the world have speed limits below this. Even Germany has just some sections of autobahns with unrestricted speed limits, and even then if you crash your car above 250kmh and that can be proved then the insurance company may void its coverage.
So all of these limits, excuses and shortcuts are false moralities and essentially marketing stuff. Going on an highway at 250kmh on an E63S it's a hell more safe than doing 120kmh on a 90's mini. It is even safer than going at speed limits with today's most average cars. More stable, with more security features, and more breaking power. Yes, blowing a tire at 250 it's still more dangerous than at 120 but let's not hide ourselves behind false reasons.
As I see it, these are marketing moves or simply lack of confidence on their expertise. In the case of the E63s the limit at 300 kmh seems to me to be the later case. When you have BMW, Porsche and other brands going above this without having to use a hard suspension or recourse to meaningful negative cambers then the security excuse seems to be spot on, but not in a good way (MB/AMG are not thinking on our safety but on their eventual liability)
So all of these limits, excuses and shortcuts are false moralities and essentially marketing stuff. Going on an highway at 250kmh on an E63S it's a hell more safe than doing 120kmh on a 90's mini. It is even safer than going at speed limits with today's most average cars. More stable, with more security features, and more breaking power. Yes, blowing a tire at 250 it's still more dangerous than at 120 but let's not hide ourselves behind false reasons.
As I see it, these are marketing moves or simply lack of confidence on their expertise. In the case of the E63s the limit at 300 kmh seems to me to be the later case. When you have BMW, Porsche and other brands going above this without having to use a hard suspension or recourse to meaningful negative cambers then the security excuse seems to be spot on, but not in a good way (MB/AMG are not thinking on our safety but on their eventual liability)
02-10-2019, 12:17 PM
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348sstb,
I don’t dislike you (I don’t know you) but from post 1 until now it seems like you are missing some common sense. I find it hard to believe you don’t get any speeding tickets. Hell, I try hard to follow all speed limit laws even in Germany. And I just paid my approximate $75 ticket on the German Autobahn from my European Delivery trip of my ‘19 S63 going from an unlimited section of the Autobahn to 130 KMH limited section. With your mindset I almost guarantee you will receive a speeding ticket in Stuttgart since they have cameras that take your picture everywhere.
I simply caution you if you do go on a Euro Delivery trip that you don’t take a ticket in Germany.
I’ve been very fortunate to have been driving in Europe since 1997 and I’ve got about 20,000 miles of seat time on European roads. My brother and I took annual summer trips across Germany in cars which we shipped to Amsterdam and then drove to our home in France via Germany, Switzerland, and Italy. In fact we shipped a car to Europe (usually a 996 or 997 Porsche 911 turbo, and sometimes another car to join) every year from 1998 until 2010. I haven’t done the Germany thing in a few years now, and I thought European delivery of an E53 would be a great idea. However, I certainly wouldn’t want to be limited to 130mph given my experience. I like the E53’s technology and all that it offers for a reasonable daily driver that doesn’t drink gasoline.
I haven’t received a speeding ticket since 2003 anywhere as a result of being careful and some good luck. If you don’t believe it, well then I don’t know what to tell you. Anyway, I’m pretty careful in Europe, as these days are not quite like the old days. But thanks for your caution, and I’m not being sarcastic. The cameras in Europe have become killer.
My mindset is to go as fast as possible in Germany when there’s no speed limit. Because it’s fun. Beyond that, I’m quite careful and well seasoned with European culture and especially their driving culture, which is very different from ours.
I assure you my sense and experience are quite uncommon, but I never lost the sense of maintaining common sense throughout my experience.
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02-10-2019, 12:17 PM
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Thanks for your post. Just to respond to the second part, I am not desirous of getting it tuned. I don’t want to void the warranty. I also don’t enjoy paying lawyers at their rates and especially not in
the absence of a matter that would present a requirement for legal services.
02-10-2019, 12:18 PM
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02-10-2019, 12:22 PM
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Holy crap , what a bunch of haters in here. I personally own a E43. It does not have the handcrafted engine but if you check underneath the car you will see that almost all suspension components are AMG parts.
So cut the crap that it's just a AMG badged car . It is not .
Not everybody lives in the USA , in certain countries in Europe you get taxed on the power and the Co2 the car makes , hence why a 43 or 53 is the (better) choice there. There was a 60K difference for me between a 43 or 63 , i'm not going to pay that just to get a handcrafted engine.
If AMG says its a AMG , then it's a AMG. Bunch of *******.
So cut the crap that it's just a AMG badged car . It is not .
Not everybody lives in the USA , in certain countries in Europe you get taxed on the power and the Co2 the car makes , hence why a 43 or 53 is the (better) choice there. There was a 60K difference for me between a 43 or 63 , i'm not going to pay that just to get a handcrafted engine.
If AMG says its a AMG , then it's a AMG. Bunch of *******.
02-10-2019, 12:48 PM
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Holy crap , what a bunch of haters in here. I personally own a E43. It does not have the handcrafted engine but if you check underneath the car you will see that almost all suspension components are AMG parts.
So cut the crap that it's just a AMG badged car . It is not .
Not everybody lives in the USA , in certain countries in Europe you get taxed on the power and the Co2 the car makes , hence why a 43 or 53 is the (better) choice there. There was a 60K difference for me between a 43 or 63 , i'm not going to pay that just to get a handcrafted engine.
If AMG says its a AMG , then it's a AMG. Bunch of *******.
So cut the crap that it's just a AMG badged car . It is not .
Not everybody lives in the USA , in certain countries in Europe you get taxed on the power and the Co2 the car makes , hence why a 43 or 53 is the (better) choice there. There was a 60K difference for me between a 43 or 63 , i'm not going to pay that just to get a handcrafted engine.
If AMG says its a AMG , then it's a AMG. Bunch of *******.
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02-10-2019, 01:54 PM
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If it was to play by the rules, obeying to the law and placing safety issues above else - including personal liberty and liability to do whatever one wants - then every street legal car should be limited to 130 or 140 kmh, because most countries across the world have speed limits below this. Even Germany has just some sections of autobahns with unrestricted speed limits, and even then if you crash your car above 250kmh and that can be proved then the insurance company may void its coverage.
So all of these limits, excuses and shortcuts are false moralities and essentially marketing stuff. Going on an highway at 250kmh on an E63S it's a hell more safe than doing 120kmh on a 90's mini. It is even safer than going at speed limits with today's most average cars. More stable, with more security features, and more breaking power. Yes, blowing a tire at 250 it's still more dangerous than at 120 but let's not hide ourselves behind false reasons.
As I see it, these are marketing moves or simply lack of confidence on their expertise. In the case of the E63s the limit at 300 kmh seems to me to be the later case. When you have BMW, Porsche and other brands going above this without having to use a hard suspension or recourse to meaningful negative cambers then the security excuse seems to be spot on, but not in a good way (MB/AMG are not thinking on our safety but on their eventual liability)
So all of these limits, excuses and shortcuts are false moralities and essentially marketing stuff. Going on an highway at 250kmh on an E63S it's a hell more safe than doing 120kmh on a 90's mini. It is even safer than going at speed limits with today's most average cars. More stable, with more security features, and more breaking power. Yes, blowing a tire at 250 it's still more dangerous than at 120 but let's not hide ourselves behind false reasons.
As I see it, these are marketing moves or simply lack of confidence on their expertise. In the case of the E63s the limit at 300 kmh seems to me to be the later case. When you have BMW, Porsche and other brands going above this without having to use a hard suspension or recourse to meaningful negative cambers then the security excuse seems to be spot on, but not in a good way (MB/AMG are not thinking on our safety but on their eventual liability)
This is true also for most AMG's unless they get unlocked either by model or package but 155mph in the minimum speed limit for any AMG, even the tiny A35.
What is puzzling is that some here on the forum assume that the E53 is not a REAL AMG because it is limited to 130mph. The E53 is limited to 155mph outside the US and has likely an approximate speed limit of around 175-180mph when unlocked. This is all anyone needs to know when re. AMG's
The core of this whole thread has really nothing to do with AMG but the stupidity of MB restricting their cars to 130mph when all of them (even the bottom CLA 250) will go faster. There is no official answer; my assumption is simply lawyers trying to limit liability, reduced wear for warranty purposes and flexibility to swap tire brands/types without requiring any tests/homologation, etc.
02-10-2019, 02:21 PM
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02-10-2019, 03:19 PM
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Joking aside; this will happen sooner than later. Like the 55, these number always started with an engine and the 6.3 is long history and with new hybrid models coming in (73) and EV's. Give it 3-4 years max...
02-10-2019, 03:41 PM
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02-10-2019, 06:10 PM
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The core of this whole thread has really nothing to do with AMG but the stupidity of MB restricting their cars to 130mph when all of them (even the bottom CLA 250) will go faster. There is no official answer; my assumption is simply lawyers trying to limit liability, reduced wear for warranty purposes and flexibility to swap tire brands/types without requiring any tests/homologation, etc.
02-10-2019, 06:13 PM
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